From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Feb 10 21:18:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D439CD9772 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CDE1064 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 86603CD9771; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860CFCD9770 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "StartCom Class 2 IV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D2331063 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D45A7C1A; Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:18:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:18:49 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: scratch65535@att.net Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <20170210211849.GB10806@lonesome.com> References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <99cr9cp6o01ef949dig289bkspipl8mog7@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <99cr9cp6o01ef949dig289bkspipl8mog7@4ax.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:18:52 -0000 On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 08:17:31AM -0500, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > A good rule of thumb from industry in the case of major software > would be "forever", meaning until it's very unlikely that anyone > is still using it because of hardware obsolescence, etc. (Sigh.) And how many people do you think it takes to do such support? > Why is Linux able to so easily replace FreeBSD? The desktop is > gone. Servers are going. The new AMD chips are being tested > against Intel on Linux boxes, not FreeBSD boxes. FreeBSD is > being made obsolete. In other words, if we move fast enough to try to keep up with Linux changes, FreeBSD is obsolete. If we move more slowly than Linux, then FreeBSD is obsolete. I'm being serious. We get criticized either way. Also, for package sets, consider that size * each OS release * each architecture (ok, some architectures) = a lot of disk space. We simply have finite disk space. IMHO, the days that we can expect ports maintainers and committers to keep e.g. a FreeBSD 4.11 viable for years are over. By the EOL of 4.11, we were asking volunteers to support *4* major OS releases. That was crazy. As for the OS releases, we're trying to keep up with new disk technologies, new ways of booting, new wireless techniques, graphics APIs that change rapidly, and on and on. The pace of these changes is outside our control. We can keep up or become irrelevant. mcl