From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 13:35:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E209F106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB338FC23 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCB01900F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from tau.draftnet (unknown [66.45.161.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:35:02 -0800 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20081117053502.7cc3827c@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <20081114203914.W14337@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <491DDD56.1040001@ccstores.com> <20081114225626.GA56663@icarus.home.lan> <20081116193828.GB7878@comcast.net> <20081116222222.J26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Charlie Kester , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:35:33 -0000 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build > >> it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". > > > > Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like > > FreeBSD? > > to some level - better driver support. but > windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write drivers. > > this level is OK, more users can make only harm. > > exactly what happened with linux. > > as heavyweight "sponsors" did. they pay but request not just adding > drivers but to add strange-but-trendy features and solutions that > take system's quality down quickly. > > exactly that happened to NetBSD. i recently installed newest NetBSD > version just to look at it. it was damn slow and even slower under > high load!! > > not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. > Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerated 3D etc. Now I did move back to FreeBSD because I had problems with its autodetection system - in particular the graphics card wasn't configured properly. But that's a problem with Ubuntu specifically, and I could just as easily have switched to Debian or Gentoo where more manual configuration is required - just like in FreeBSD. One of the strengths of Linux is that if you find one of the new trendy features doesn't work, you can generally just build a new kernel - without including it. If it's user-space you don't like - well, that's a problem with the distribution, not linux itself. -- Bruce Cran