From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 17 10:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27625 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:22:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (nectar-gw.nectar.com [204.0.249.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27619 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by cerebus.nectar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA29648; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:21:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from spawn.nectar.com(10.0.0.101) by cerebus.nectar.com via smap (V2.1) id xma029646; Thu, 17 Dec 98 12:21:21 -0600 Received: from spawn.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spawn.nectar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19640; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:21:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Message-Id: <199812171821.MAA19640@spawn.nectar.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: <50713.913860173@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <50713.913860173@zippy.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Fortran in the base system (was Re: sysinstall) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Alfred Perlstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, bs_13943_34262@adimus.de, Nate Williams , Steve Kargl Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:21:20 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 December 1998 at 18:02, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: [snip] > I think that for a language to qualify, [to be in the base FreeBSD distribution] > it must first be successful to > a degree several orders of magnitude greater than that of Haskell. Or > any other functional programming language, for that matter. > > - Jordan I disagree strongly! One could argue that Visual Basic and Java and what-have-you are quite ``successful,'' but that doesn't mean that any of them should be part of the base FreeBSD distribution. The only languages and tools that should be part of the base FreeBSD distribution, IMHO, are those required to build the system. I could even agree with someone who argues that even those should not be included in the base system. Said another way, the base system should be as small as possible without making bootstrapping or installing too complex. There are legitimate complaints about too much bloat from including sendmail, uucp, cc, and others, much less FORTRAN. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message