From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 10 05:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51E216A41F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:56:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABAB43D45 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:56:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id k0A5vKP65098; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "David Banning" , "Robert Slade" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:53:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <6db0aaaa0601090721w5951cf1fs113d9125877a588d@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:56:25 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of David Banning >Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:21 AM >To: Robert Slade >Cc: questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why > > >Thanks for the response, Robert. I know tmda and such services anger >some people. I also find other people who ask me how they can get >such a service, only because spam is so difficult to block. I guess it >depends on how important email is to you. >I would never ask a question >on this board and expect people to confirm, > David, that is the fundamental problem with this kind of service. The vast, vast majority of users that do e-mail confirmations do NOT use them appropriately. If everyone that used it was like you and put some brains into turning it off when posting to a public list or some such, it wouldn't be a problem. But the fact that spam exists at all - because for spam to work you need a critical mass of stupid people willing to pay spammers for their hair tonics or whatever they are selling - should prove conclusively that there's too many stupid people out there on the e-mail network for a system like mail confirmations to be of any wide value. Ted