From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 4 00:04:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18163 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18158 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02533; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807040703.BAA02533@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Q: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders From: Wes Peters To: jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 (TrialWare) X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA18159 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My hidden microphone recorded (Dag-Erling Coidan Sm?rgrav) (smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com) saying: % Jason Evans writes: % > As the standard FBSD license reads, it seems to me that anyone who % > distributes a binary-only FreeBSD-based product is legally required to % > print reams of copyright notices in the documentation. That sucks for the % > distributor and for the customers. % % It's there for a reason. I can't understand why UCB hasn't sued the % pants off Microsoft yet... The monkeys in Redmond are shipping % software under Berkeley license without including the proper magic % incantations in their advertising material or documentation. % % Wouldn't it be a ball to see Microsoft print "This product includes % software developed at the University of California, Berkeley" on the % cover of every single Windows 98 or Windows NT CD? You'll find exactly those kinds of copyright notices on the Intel Internet Station, the little dial-up router I worked on last year. You find them there, and on the "Legal Stuff" web page in the user interface, only because I put them into the web page myself, and raised such a stink about the lack of notices in the documentation and got the legal department involved, over the strenuous objections of the doc writer. To their credit, the opinion from the legal department was rendered in mere hours, and boiled down to "put the copyright notices into the documentation or don't ship the product." We researched copyright notices as diligently as possible in the time we had, given that Wind River Systems had removed the original copyright notices from much of the code, and credited UC Berkely, CMU, and the ISC. Why Microsoft cannot do the same is beyond me. Somebody oughtta take'em to court. Maybe Scott McNealy would loan us the bucks, on contingency? ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message