From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:11:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B371065681 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1E38FC35 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072FA37188; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:59 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mouhaha.de Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de ([78.47.10.193]) by localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y8v1vaHd6CdY; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67DBC37173; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 From: Oliver Peter To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904151056.GC32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> <20080904094218.GB32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> <2FFE8E59-5CF1-4D65-BD6C-4ED8DE8FB14D@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2FFE8E59-5CF1-4D65-BD6C-4ED8DE8FB14D@airwired.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Oliver Peter , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:11:00 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:48:46AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 4 Sep 2008, at 3:42 AM, Oliver Peter wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> > >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> > >>> Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx > >>> must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you > >>> please > >>> re-send them. > >> > >> I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches. > > > > | > > `--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm > > > > Btw. my philosophy is if you would like to use your favourite open > > source > > operating system - which I guess is FreeBSD - on your new hardware, > > you > > should spend additional 15 minutes when you make the decision what > > hardware > > you are going to buy and check the specs with the "Hardware Notes" at > > http://www.freebsd.org/where.html. > > > > Complaining afterwards is easy but no one forces you to buy > > unsupported > > hardware. > > Point taken. A $500 Dell laptop, however, will be a popular machine > and sooner or later should be supported. Would be nice to have that, I agree with you. But popularity is not an argument: Those 'fat' ATI graphics cards are quite popular as well but as long as the manufactor does not hand out nicer documentation you wont have a nice kernel module to get hardware acceleration. -- Oliver PETER, email: oliver@peter.de.com, ICQ# 113969174 "If it feels good, you're doing something wrong." -- Coach McTavish