From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 24 23:48:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8AD2DE239 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 23:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x241.google.com (mail-lj1-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49VcPK1f6pz3fSc for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 23:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x241.google.com with SMTP id k5so18861908lji.11 for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=BLTKLBJ3KNUFvo4tty5NW1XKytPFXxavGteYtHDdu2I=; b=Uclw5/BBpULjlVSH/nCffjAbHL+rvKcAxdkVH/F0I75SaHq0gvbaxsF4dpzd84FXwS pJLbJzP4CRL7zO7dOmVWkEkZBylW3FzIzIh3rFDPhxuNVAtbEAggBh5juCKWhQDo/hGE GKT4Lq8A3ozLbVSujxwYnINROddmNzlFEFRtkxYKYaDIRlbrktxaLV9UzPjoaIzJz6ye 7UM/tpzpT+yORjzXGB9dFah2PxNgisRS51vvHoMGLVcMN2mkMOvtUPLQkOdMDcia80PH QKB+tPpPV2EC9hiZoFbzC/gJx9mukV0xSmAgGcZvBJ8CwJ+8CBYUep/yivjGmYi5Y3Ju 3Lvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BLTKLBJ3KNUFvo4tty5NW1XKytPFXxavGteYtHDdu2I=; b=R5W3f5Reo3NDpi9yg+O65KK7+qflfiIw0aixwuTfTNKNEvDVxhTIImLYCs3tn8IpE3 I+UjbDfn7E0/8F6PcJuZ1LGf3OP7/F3H3DGFj3hb1D72hI/ssWbLgJBYpwu+x98PWtLP u5jfa2Pj4KUcMmBDtmv7Pyev8BrZgOHHg/WmvFvxJx0YMi7zikDdVgUfGov73eivb8iq cD5ctYWsSrp/MlZ9m8iSejs5NXuHlVCnL4p7JcgbQvgvm0XCVvSU+iCBWcoDQUfQArB6 wVX1TDgFlSSH2gGH/BtlcYH05Iweq4lWdXj8htcdSU7Ts/gxfxav7e9dl2UW3XM4v0q8 fsZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533zoZNa8oFHqgSjeinhO+GiONZajKTBf8VTkcR/ODu+Y2zQgt7l kGNwDKgs0P8zpvVdOKNpC6ATzT0b/iwq4fxssAZIbUHr X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJymVFPNFjnBskfeAtiTdLk67bazawRiXheCjHltY/q3VWWZfnlsl35SMICbTGUM+nH/xcZT17K53CIcXkD9lMk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:900a:: with SMTP id h10mr10261637ljg.329.1590364114476; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:48:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:6742:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2020 16:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: installation of 12.1R and 11.3R fails To: David Christensen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49VcPK1f6pz3fSc X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Uclw5/BB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.63 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.611]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::241:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 23:48:38 -0000 I had to remain with the MBR-based system. GPT just flat-out did not work for me but I have got a working system and successfully updated it to 12-STABLE. I did have a glitch that led to a recursive stack crash, though, forcing a reinstall. Updating the Handbook required me to build both graphviz and vala, but neither of them would work without already having a graphviz and vala on the system. Install with 'pkg install' worked. Thanks! Happy Beastie here. On 5/23/20, Donald Wilde wrote: > Mine (the laptop) is not quite 2007 vintage, although my Dell i7 > tower is. :) IIRC it's about 2012 or so. Still going fine although > it's just a HDD-based mule. Upgrading it now to 12-STABLE. > > I am using it as a "refresher" on FreeBSD; I was paid by Bob Bruce > 1998 to 2000 to do "advocacy" for FreeBSD. I orchestrated the 3-way > press conference between the FreeBSD and NetBSD projects and Apple at > the release of DARWIN... time does pass... > > I have a relative who's asked me to make a specialized social network > for his business, and I've decided to return to using FreeBSD. Not all > hosting corps will support FreeBSD servers, but since I intend to > purchase and support everything through the business, that isn't an > issue. I'll buy Intel's fancy Optane caching boards when I buy servers > for the project, and every "drive" will be SS except for a portable > boot drive. > > > On 5/23/20, David Christensen wrote: >> On 2020-05-22 21:43, Donald Wilde wrote: >>> Service tag 5K8W162 >>> >>> I will try using MBR instead of GPT, as you suggest. I did that once >>> the first time and no joy. Other than that and using the USB instead >>> of DVD, the only other delta in your procedure is zeroing the disk and >>> ensuring that all settings in BIOS are set to default. >>> >>> Do I need to erase my USB key and only put the key-version ISO on it? >>> Why would that be superior to using a DVD, other than the waste of >>> plastic? >>> >>> The only other possible problem I can see is that I simply named the >>> machine, and did not create a meaningless FQDN (in my NAT). >>> >>> Thank you for your answer, and I WILCO. >> >> >> >> On 2020-05-22 22:20, Clay Daniels wrote: >> > I would second all of David's suggestions, but would like to also >> recommend >> > using GParted to clear & write a new partition table, be it MBR or >> GPT. >> > GParted lets you take control of the drive. It's Gnome Partition >> Editor >> & >> > free: >> > >> > https://gparted.org/ >> >> >> >> On 2020-05-22 23:03, Manish Jain wrote: >> > I think we are using a nuclear missile to kill a mosquito ! >> > >> > The FreeBSD installer can do everything needed by itself. >> > >> > 1) Boot from the FreeBSD CD/DVD >> > >> > 2) Choose Install >> > >> > 3) At the disk setup page, choose Manual >> > >> > 4) Remove all existing partitions. When done that, press 'd' again >> (for >> > delete) with ada0 selected. That will delete the partition table >> itself. >> > >> > 5) Press 'c' (for create) to create a new MBR (DOS) partition table. >> > >> > 6) Create partitions as needed and install. >> > >> > That should be it. >> >> >> >> On 2020-05-23 02:01, D'Arcy Cain wrote: >> > [Zeroing the disk] is exactly what I found when going from Linux to >> FreeBSD. Just run >> > dd(1) with input file /dev/zero on the raw disk before starting your >> > installation. You have to completely wipe out the Linux boot blocks. >> >> >> >> On 2020-05-23 08:06, Donald Wilde wrote: >> > The MBR boot after wiping the disk was successful. YAY, Beasties! TYVM >> > for all the advice. :D >> > >> > Taking your thought to heart, D'Arcy, I'm going to try again with GPT >> > now that Linux is gone, gone, gone! :D >> >> >> I'm glad the BIOS/ MBR install worked. :-) >> >> >> That looks like a decent daily driver laptop, especially if you maxed >> out the RAM and installed a good SSD: >> >> >> https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-aUlCTHJhMTkzWUs5S1dMQjN2WGdIdz090/overview >> >> >> My 2007 Inspiron E1505 gave me many years of service (with repairs and >> upgrades). It still works. >> >> >> I zero my USB flash drives before burning them with an installer image >> out of sheer OCD, but it should not be required. (I wrote a Perl script >> to only write zeros to dirty blocks, to conserve write cycles.) >> >> >> Most every x86 computer made in the last 30 years will have a USB port. >> Many newer computers, especially portable computers, do not have optical >> drives. >> >> >> It is easy to make changes to an installer on a USB flash drive, and you >> don't have to burn a disc for every edit-compile-test cycle. I hacked >> my FreeBSD USB installer to slice and partition system disks the way I >> like them. >> >> >> I have boogered installs many ways, including the hostname, FQDN, >> network name, and/or network settings. The FreeBSD installer offers you >> a root shell into the installed image near the end. If you know what >> file(s) to edit, you can fix those mistakes. Alternatively, some >> installers let you re-run specific steps. TIMTOWDI. >> >> >> I image my system disks regularly. Zero-filling them before an install >> saves image storage space. Partition editors within installers >> typically do not zero-fill. (I need to figure out how to zero unused >> blocks beneath GELI and ZFS prior to imaging; does anyone know how?) >> >> >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************