From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 22:07:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559B6106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186758FC25 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiCW7-0001k7-P5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:07:12 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:07:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:07:36 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:07:41 -0000 --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of=20 > > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "und= er=20 > > > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start=20 > > > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > >=20 > >=20 > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > > something that some "authority" give or steal. > >=20 > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > > arise and walk will not be a right for him. >=20 > You're confusing "capability" with "right". These words are not the same > because their meanings are not the same. >=20 > I have a right to speak my mind, but if cancer requires the removal of my > jaw so that I can no longer speak, I no longer have the capability of > speaking at all. These are different things; a capability can be taken > away, but a right cannot. >=20 > This is what is meant by "rights" in the context of ethics. The law has > its own jargon with its own definitions. The way you use "right" here is > very much nonstandard for any context of which I'm aware, which means > that before you can have a meaningful discussion with someone that > involves such use of the term "right" you need to get them to buy into > your definition of their own free will and agreement. Otherwise, the > discussion will be nothing but disagreement and/or misunderstanding. >=20 > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. >=20 If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on t= he Internet would evaporate. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPA3woAAoJEIpckszW26+RboUIAI//x7oQlS9NrVm7/l1fSyHP ZCNP2okH3AdXT75JGVW2Axf4wTcSfoO9+/IiE1K/OM/PxkSLuLWYx8npa08RWRtd Og4R4WsxqcQgO6NJ4yxH5MGYKLe+1v7J1pV0B4WYBw7iZ8bqmbp4HvxAiEyjjam1 LCEvtQDgKUh/IAKUd3V1UXI2HYyFU0yjVVlA2sRsKE5LyS11Gjkajirzfj7t6q7N dwklzEUeLVPuBgVZyzATsYnyOCh7gHwQ1KQfooVfmmZUoczZuF9CIN8hPYRkn0P9 4FE4CZYJCZcV+A8aFTiSfCrh/9OEvLPvV67TlHsNgYTIG/5b/wvVwSWOX+9/0fw= =nKnr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s--