From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 2 18:55:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AB31065784; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806B4162818; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F5117A6.2030003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:55:34 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120224 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K. Macy" References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, =?UTF-8?B?eiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= , Arnaud Lacombe , Alexander Leidinger , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:55:38 -0000 On 03/02/2012 10:46, K. Macy wrote: > You understand my point but then fail to or choose not to see how it > applies to you when it creates problems for you personally. No, I already pointed out the distinction between "new, experimental features;" and "essential components of the FreeBSD operating system." It's Ok for you to disagree with that distinction, or with its importance. But what you're suggesting is that if users don't help developers debug "cool new feature X" then we won't have "cool new feature X." By implication you're saying that if we don't continue to develop cool new features then at some point down the road we wither and die. What I have tried ever-so-delicately to avoid saying is that lack of user help with debugging "cool new feature X" is generally a sign of lack of user demand for "cool new feature X." Not all cool new ideas are good ones. :) OTOH, if we don't fix the fundamental problems with ports, and other key areas of the operating system, we're just not going to have users, period. Given that most of the developers (like you) have stopped using FreeBSD on a day-to-day basis, who can blame them? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection