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Date:      Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:25:55 -0800 (PST)
From:      John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
Cc:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, drosih@rpi.edu, tlambert@primenet.com, arch@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: NO MORE '-BETA'
Message-ID:  <XFMail.010316172555.jhb@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010316171845.U29888@fw.wintelcom.net>

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On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> [010316 17:16] wrote:
>> 
>> On 17-Mar-01 Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>> > * Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> [010316 16:44] wrote:
>> >> > Let's just add something to cvsup to prompt the user?  Or something
>> >> > in the build process that's interactive? or what?
>> >> 
>> >> How about turning it off to all but authorized users (those who have
>> >> a registered cvsup key, as on freefall) during release periods?
>> > 
>> > The real pain is that there doesn't seem to be a way stop users from
>> > upgrading before they actually do it.
>> > 
>> > I think what'll happen is that sometime tomorrow I'll add an option
>> > to newvers.sh to detect a cross version change and have the world
>> > and installworld and installkernel targets check and prompt unless
>> > something like EARLY_ADOPTER=YES is set in make.conf or you're
>> > building a 'release'.
>> > 
>> > Would that be ok?
>> 
>> So you will prompt them wiht a question that will make them ignore it
>> and cut and paste it into a message and mail it off to a dozen lists
>> screaming about it?  If they can't manage to follow -stable or read the
>> FAQ, what makes you think they will bother with reading the message you
>> output with going into hysteria?  They've already demonstrated a lack
>> of reading ability or willingness or something.
> 
> Those people can go fly a kite.

These are the same people who complained about -BETA that got you started off
on this whole thread to begin with.  Please pick one position and stick with
it, K PLZ THX.
 
> You stated that -BETA actually is a bit less stable than -STABLE and
> hence should be -BETA.  The problem is that:
>   THERE'S NO WARNING UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY BOOT WITH YOUR '-BETA' SYSTEM

Sure there is, it's called the mailing list.  If you cvsup -current there's
also no warning until you boot with your -CURRENT system, although I see you
kindly ignored my pointing that out last time.

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