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Date:      Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:27:50 +0100
From:      "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
To:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Cc:        Michel Talon <talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr>
Subject:   Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools
Message-ID:  <201402061228.s16CRo02023097@fire.js.berklix.net>
In-Reply-To: Your message "Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:48:14 %2B0100." <AC3D1A8F-54AB-4913-AC30-EB9FA5702ED8@lpthe.jussieu.fr>

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Michel Talon wrote:
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Junk mail format, not impressed. Use Ascii


> >ports/ is not just for package addicts.  I never install packages,
> >but only build & install from ports/.  sqlite junk obstructs
> >/var/db/pkg being accessed by find & grep to debug breaking ports =
> builds.
> 
> As someone who has advocated the use of sqlite to replace the old =
> "database in the filesystem"
> several years before it has been implemented by the new package system, =
> i can only conclude, like
> Matthew that you are being absurd.

Personal inuendo does not impress.


> The old package system was total =
> crap,

local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find & grep
& other text pipe / search tools.


> incredibly slow and
> using system resources in absurd ways. Sqlite obstructs nothing,

False. local.sqlite obstructs inspection by find & grep & text search tools.


> you =
> have to spend a couple of minutes
> learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning =
> obtuse find and grep options.

Package addicts were so myopic they ignored some people won't even
use packages, just /usr/ports & make.  local.sqlite was immaturely
shoved in without documenting it, no "man 5 local.sqlite" no hook
there for the "couple of minutes learning" you assert, (no hook to believe
the "couple" you assert).


> Moreover i have hard time believing one needs to dissect the package =
> system (beyond reading the=20
> output of pkg info) to debug a port build. One surely needs some =

ports/ is not just a plaything for package script addicts.
Some use ports/ to make & debug exclusively from sources.


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Cheers,
Julian
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Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com
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