From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Apr 20 04:22:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262DDB0D7FE for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACFE1DA8; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B66181D; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:31 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: dan_partelly Cc: Warner Losh , Matthew Grooms , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160420042231.GA5035@FreeBSD.org> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <20160420040711.GL1554@FreeBSD.org> <27b37d3f66ba7ac7df7bf3fd2c4ccd88@rdsor.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27b37d3f66ba7ac7df7bf3fd2c4ccd88@rdsor.ro> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:22:33 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:15:22AM +0300, dan_partelly wrote: > On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:11 +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:59:38AM +0300, dan_partelly wrote: > >>=20 > >> >=20 > >> > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where p= rogress > is > >> > made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds > people > >> into > >> > dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a > >> > discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry villagers > >> storming > >> > the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the outrage by a > >> factor > >> > of 100 and try to have the conversation again. > >> >=20 > >>=20 > >> I'm frankly perplexed by this statement. Its seldom I perceived so much >=20 > >> sorrow and bitterness in 6 lines. There is no castle Warner, unless you > >> want one to exist, one where you can isolate yourself from the > >> indentured > >> peasants and anything they say. Beyond your thick walls you'll be well > >> served, > >> every idea outside your wals will be toned down by a factor of 100 by > the > >> time > >> it reaches the lord, becoming total agreement with anything the lord > >> thinks.=20 > >>=20 > >> I cant believe I wrote this shit. But then again, I cant believe you > just > >> wrote > >> what you did. > >>=20 > >=20 > > And it's responses like this that are severely demotivating. >=20 > Such statements, such answers. But Im done with this. It degenerates > in emotional outbursts, much to the shame of all parts involved. >=20 You're absolutely right. I apologize for offending you and the countless hours spent on getting this new model correct. What was I thinking? Glen --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXFwQHAAoJEAMUWKVHj+KT7kEQAJ8Ol0JI9EhvXx0WsglKcDC3 jvZDG3UMrtuOJsdknnpasZrnfc6/l7tskY80ayIeQu+bSRIHoBcF3NcO/9QkLNCi IE9uKz9KQ5Urx7wXXoKed9ClpgDTeaBK12nKBeoY9muO3foRk8Sa4Bya/kCfkMQE bmeCKCZ2NDNF3dIrGJ1CFxu2SABqZ9FeD2CeyYpdx3CTso3mROHeIVvBqbWAn3Uw kdRSgM4ndw/pBr8yzgo3oOywmDq5coWwCa+iQxguTtScRjRHTUZ+n/kF0clh+0Nu J6n3WjYou1H7cb6a5NOSXDn9X3QICjm4D9EBJdoNNWXLA6ZOdcLFdz0d6rR0TPvL lwPtfmpLe20QdEdIi+a9w29hwxszDMNiNJQKnCT+v+MsPsxrWw7iSLUoZ6F4HpWD s0fn6w1VQPhU6rLKVIIjiUF289Hwk+srIGPkUoLeN15lhNEFoE3RAFbCUBeZU7Xs EiYSrjjDH8KcVuvY/MASh56zKkQYFtXrcTwOfqComFbPKiQ0Ngd12NMbY/L+3SvG jPXFshY/1NnOQEIh8BgRrqzgCjP4ugVatbXCwrvrOX4vS7SZozXOrPdSbJl00tm3 Fv4e8/IDq+MIJhj8V12VrThQ4d01+w5aQkO3D0AuekcahR7lC5rEvEsZk+2BF6Vl j9D0UzjKZqjWP9OkLLuR =1fvl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH--