From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 08:02:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D78106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFAB8FC15 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDSK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m5382dNd064384; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Pollywog" , Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <200806021857.02736.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Subject: RE: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:02:41 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Pollywog > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:57 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Looking for gurus willing to help write Freebsd tutorials > > > On Monday 02 June 2008 15:58:55 bridd@bridd.com wrote: > > > I agree completely, it's what got me over to BSD ! > > > > I am a little confused. I just see a sphere with "horns" on it > that reminds > me of the BSD daemon's head, only made to look less "demonic". Is it > supposed to be something else? > No, that is what it's supposed to be. The sex toy issue is that you saw the sphere with horns AFTER you saw Beastie. So you had a frame of reference, and naturally assume it's Beastie's head. The problem is, think about people who have NEVER seen Beastie before seeing the sex toy logo for the first time. Since they have no frame of reference they can easily assume that it means anything at all. Such as the business end of a French tickler, which it kind of resembles. When those of us in the know call it a sex toy, we are making a little inside joke, as we are basically saying the logo design is terrible because it does not indicate to anyone looking at it what it is supposed to represent. The Linux penguin is no different - someone seeing a Penguin isn't going to know it has to do with an operating system, either. Many corporate logos also suffer from the same problem. The difference between the corporate logos and Linux and us, is that those organizations have the marketing muscle to take their rediculous logo designs and pound them into the public conciousness through endless advertising. See a blue oval? Most people think "Ford" Not because a blue oval has anything to do with cars. It's because Ford has dumped trillions of dollars in advertising over the years pounding that association into the public mind. The designer of the FreeBSD logo approached it from the usual corporate arrogance of we can create anything we want, then just pay money for the association. The only problem is that the FreeBSD project has no money to spend to create this association. As a result the logo completely fails in it's job. Arguably, there is also no public association between Beastie and the FreeBSD operating system either, so in the long run we aren't any worse off than we were. (aside from the arrogant setting aside of 20 some years of BSD Unix history) Ted