From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 21:12:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BF31065697 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288248FC24 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9nGb1b0091GhbT855xCd8C; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:12:37 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.34.211.11]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9xCb1b01B0FJTGg3TxCcbj; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:12:37 +0000 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LT0fC-0001ui-EP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:12:34 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov To: Peter Jeremy In-reply-to: <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> (message from Peter Jeremy on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 +1100) References: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> <49819BD5.5040709@FreeBSD.org> <1233236412.1779.40.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:12:34 -0500 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, rnoland@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:12:38 -0000 ,--- You/Peter (Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 +1100) ----* | X11 is a critical component for anyone who is using FreeBSD as a | desktop and having upgrades fail or come with significant POLA | violations and regressions for significant numbers of people is not | acceptable. Fully agree with this. | I suggest that this approach needs to be followed for every future | release of X.org until (if) the X.org Project demonstrates that they | can provide release-quality code. And agree with this, as far as the future is concerned -- but this leaves out the issue of what is going to be done for people whose systems became practically incapacitated in a matter of one day. Screw us? I realize that personally I haven't contributed much (hey, a simple port's maintainer!) to FreeBSD, so a disregard to my situation may be well deserved. But "you" (whoever this "you" is: the "ports manager", the X port maintainers) have to be aware that leaving the things in the state they are now, you are screwing somebody. | > This update also brings in support for a lot of people who are | >running newer hardware. | | And breaks support for lots of people who used to have functional X | servers. Just so. ,--- Kostik Belousov (Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:25:09 +0200) ----* | Just to give a different view on *this* update. I have exactly opposing | experience. | | So far 1.5.3 + updated DRM works good on all my Radeons. | And, I did not have a problem with i945GM on 1.4.2 and 1.5.3. `----------------------------------------------------------* Well, glad for you -- meanwhile I will be reverting my desktop to the old X this weekend: the garbage on the screen is ugly, but the fact that in the new X "opera" can grab a pointer for about a minute makes the combined use of the browser and xterms/Emacses plain intolerable. After I do this, as I did with my laptop already, I think I am completely cut off from the ports automated upgrade cycle. -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --