Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:57:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> Subject: Re: softupdates in latest build? Message-ID: <199909061857.LAA20348@dingo.cdrom.com>
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Subject: Re: softupdates in latest build?
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:47:39 +0200."
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:57:07 -0700
From: Mike Smith <mike@dingo.cdrom.com>
> At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:
>
> > I'll say it again; read what has already been said. Most of us are
> > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> > of the issues involved.
>
> I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that
> Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.
What, that we have no time for people that can't be bothered to help
themselves, even when asked to?
You've walked into a contentious issue spewing FUD, patently
disregarded the suggestion to take a little time to familiarise
yourself with the history of this issue in our context, and now you
expect us to feel sorry for you?
Brad; this isn't a kindergarten. You are addressing the FreeBSD
developer community here, and you are telling us that you think the end
result of a long decision process was a stupid idea. Do you really
expect that sort of thing to be well received?
You could have started with "I was surprised to find that bpf was
enabled. Why was this done? Where can I read about the decision
process that resulted in this change?". Unfortunately, you've
discovered that there are a lot more of us that there is of you, and
that we don't suffer abuse at all gently.
The suggestion to go read up on the issue was not meant as a brush-off;
it was a well-intentioned gesture with the aim of educating you in a
fashion that doesn't involve some poor bastard like me re-typing every
salient point that was made during the whole process. Please do us the
courtesy of informing yourself to the best possible extent so that we
can communicate meaningfully and usefully with you.
As you say, this isn't Linux. We don't have a history of mailing lists
and newsgroups filled with whining newbies that have driven the
developers away to other, closed areas, and we plan to keep things that
way. If it results in a few slightly bruised noses evey now and then,
that's a price we've demonstrated we're willing to pay.
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\\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org
\\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com
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