From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 5 23:56:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2706C16A417 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kian.mohageri@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDC613C458 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kian.mohageri@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1340361pyb for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CmvsvV/WjPlsBYXDZ4JRxtrLDz04guiI8wP5RqizjoM=; b=UlUOUi1HlyfFWlAgw0W+YbV5e+Xjvj04BB3o4Lo8JmdVwrUrP79hJ7wXgr3hvHKRk5kMLPde4lhs1skuaoQnvAU5W5GEuOBCAgX1nu+hzfehOfCFfUBr+f+wbi/V9l3sFFz1yr1y7Y4Ny3mANJN/GN9Y20r7wvteH6ubIQFLGQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NOvVbgOoPrcwGtT3/g6gUgie2Z0NXPjpTZS2lMqRYAOvMiCyTnz+nZYW+lwbn1bXRwEYVg6tx/3hzh2FNaeHt8Fb0OyKynTThMcVQi24IKAYqkx/mQWEau3ryw/l6H/nduXQiWOLjSpoLGvB1w7vZ+1EcBOqfiRBTnEaGfMs3bE= Received: by 10.65.203.3 with SMTP id f3mr28665877qbq.1191628558721; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.209.2 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:55:58 -0700 From: "Kian Mohageri" To: "Doug Barton" In-Reply-To: <4706B42B.20207@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200710012040.l91KeC2t097859@freefall.freebsd.org> <47022870.7030607@gahr.ch> <4703A8B6.80803@gahr.ch> <4706B42B.20207@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conf/105568: [patch] Add more flexibility to rc.conf, to choose "_enable" values at startup X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:56:00 -0000 On 10/5/07, Doug Barton wrote: > Pietro Cerutti wrote: > > > I have no problem accepting the fact that you don't need this feature, > > but, on the contrary, it seems that you have a problem accepting the > > fact that someone could find it useful. > > That is certainly not true for me, and I don't think it's true for Kian > either. I can see how _someone_ could find it useful, I just don't think > that a majority of our users would benefit from this. > Doug is right - I do not find it completely useless. I can think of a time when I would use it too. But that's rare and I don't think the developers should add code to support all users' needs. Keeping the system simple is more important to me than having complete flexibility included by default. Also, Doug mentioned a way for you to address your issue without this modification. > > The feature doesn't change any defaults, don't have any side effects and > > can merely be ignored if you don't want to use it. > > > > Why are you so reluctant in accepting it? > > The rc.d system is critical to FreeBSD, and making boot time faster is a > goal that always have in front of us. We have to critically examine > every single suggestion for modifications to it, and the bias is > strongly in the direction of not adding something that won't be > beneficial to the majority of our users. > Exactly. As a user of FreeBSD, I truly appreciate the critical analysis the developers give to each feature request. Don't feel bad about being told "No." I've been told as much when requesting changes too. In hindsight, I'm glad the features were left out. -Kian