From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 22:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA516A47B for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9B9343D7F for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:22:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 18115 invoked by uid 399); 17 Dec 2006 22:22:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2006 22:22:34 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <4585C31F.5040804@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:22:23 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061215) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Astrodog References: <4579EB08.8080704@intersonic.se> <20061210.230622.-1844001233.imp@bsdimp.com> <45845F8B.3060304@intersonic.se> <45851DBC.9010604@FreeBSD.org> <2fd864e0612170807x20ff699x42538cfa497c1398@mail.gmail.com> <4585B4EC.1070906@FreeBSD.org> <2fd864e0612171355u1183779ds2eb2086442e13da6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2fd864e0612171355u1183779ds2eb2086442e13da6@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Am I an Idiot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:28:16 -0000 Astrodog wrote: > The kind of testing needed in -CURRENT is controlled, in my opinion. You are, of course, welcome to your opinions. You will, of course, please make allowances for the facts that, A) You might be wrong, and B) Even if you are right within some limited sphere, your knowledge and experience only extend so far, and others who have different knowledge and/or experience may not find them useful. For example, as a FreeBSD developer I am always quite gratified when people run my -current code in a real world environment, since I find anecdotes useful. Of course I'd always rather hear, "It works!" but even if the answer is that it doesn't work, it gives me a direction to look in that I didn't have before. So let me summarize. Yes, there are potential problems with running -current in production. As I said very early in this thread, the safest way of doing so is to run -current on a limited number of systems, and have -stable hardware ready to swap in if needed. The OP says he understands the issues at hand, and is willing to jump into the deep end of the pool. He seems like a grown-up to me, let's leave him alone and move on to other things, shall we? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection