From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Nov 16 10:15:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3C437B401; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96CB43E88; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F3B8A3CA8; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:15:40 -0400 (AST) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:15:40 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-developers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? Message-ID: <20021116130950.C18650-400000@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-407499505-1037470540=:18650" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-407499505-1037470540=:18650 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Over the past couple of months, I've been starting to wonder if the Quality of FreeBSD's -STABLE branch has been deteriorating, to the point that trusting it for any sort of "loaded server" environment is coming into question ... I have two servers sitting at Rackspace right now, both running Tyan L-ET motherboards ... one with 1.2Ghz CPUs, and one with 1Ghz CPUs ... both running 4Gig of RAM ... both running the AMI MegaRAID controllers ... one is running a STABLE kernel from yesterday ... the other one can't get past a STABLE kernel from Oct28th ... both servers are running *continuously* >1300 processes, with >1500 more usual ... The one server runs 87 jail'd environments (venus) ... the other, 116 (jupiter) ... the machines are great performers *when they are running*, but keeping them running has been a nightmare ... The kernel configs for both machines are near identical (config attached), with venus having an 'sa' device and 'sym' controller extra on it, for a tape drive that is over there ... otherwise, they are identical ... venus has a bit more drive space on it, which was a cause for problems for awhile there until we upgraded its power supply to 400W instead of 300W, which seemed to fix up alot of the problems ... until last night, jupiter was running a kernel from Sept 10th, and getting 20 days uptime on her was more or less the norm ... 9hrs after upgrading to last nights sources, she partially crashed ... pingable, but nothing else ... she's back up now, and running smoothly ... venus, if I try and boot onto a kernel post-Oct28th, hangs just after the "SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!" is printed ... I've tried to remove the sym/sa devices from the kernel and rebuild, but same effect ... I had originally thought it was the amr device changes on the 29th, but jupiter is running the same controller, right down to the same firmware revision, and it boots fine ... yet, I can't boot even onto an Oct29th kernel ... Oct28th is the last day ... Looking at the messages file for jupiter for this morning, there was nothing to indicate a problem, yet it died sometime after 8am: Nov 16 08:00:04 jupiter newsyslog[62442]: logfile turned over Nov 16 10:48:45 jupiter /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Nov 16 10:48:45 jupiter /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Am I expecting too much from FreeBSD-STABLE? Would I fair better if I moved down into RELENG_4_7 and avoided -STABLE altogether? 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