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Date:      Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:16:49 -0700
From:      Mike Smith <msmith@freebsd.org>
To:        chad@DCFinc.com
Cc:        freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Tyan Thunder 2400/i840 SMP no good 
Message-ID:  <200006090316.UAA01184@mass.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:53:04 PDT." <200006080553.WAA15952@freeway.dcfinc.com> 

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> >> It wasn't until after I posted that I realized that I wasn't running
> >> -current. I am now, and I've gotten past the boot problems.
> >> 
> >> However, I'm now seeing weird data corruption in RAM, spurious SIGBUS or
> >> SIGSEGV's, etc... I've replaced the RAM and CPUs and am still seeing it. I'm
> >> going to try a new ram vendor, as well as swapping motherboards next.
> >> 
> >> Has anyone else experienced this on a similar system? I know the i840 is
> >> highly picky when it comes to SDRAM....
> > 
> > Yes.  I've even see this with "high quality" SDRAM; the i840 board I'm 
> > currently using has some cheap and nasty 64MB DIMMs which work fine, but 
> > most of the "high quality" parts I've tried have failed miserably.
> 
> Does this seem like a problem to anyone besides me?

Yes.  It seems like these boards/RAM have some serious issues.

> Given the MoBo's sold at Fry's with the memory sold at Fry's will run
> Windows98 without falling over in a way that is not clearly Windows
> fault, then we (FreeBSD) will look bad if we can't run on the same
> hardware.

There is no way to determine what is or is not "clealy Windows' fault".

If the hardware corrupts data, then there is NOTHING that can be done 
about it.  End of story.

> Can we claim (with a straight face) that there is a legitimate reason
> FreeBSD is more picky about its hardware platform than Windows/NT
> Server?

It's not.

> If it were not, these MoBo/memory configurations would be
> being shoved back up the <expletive deleted> of the vendors when
> the customers tried to run the software package that is on 90% of
> the Intel boxen out there and failed.

I would expect that if I were to go purchase memory certified for this 
board, it would work.

On the other hand, I have on several occasions failed entirely to install 
any of several different Microsoft operating systems on this board; by 
your criteria I would assert that the board is entirely unsuited for sale 
as a product at all.

-- 
\\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
\\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
\\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com




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