From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 24 23:54:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49850106566C for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18828FC12 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAONsIM1021305; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:54:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:54:37 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20091124235437.GI54631@thought.org> References: <20091124071540.GA52401@thought.org> <20091124084008.a60de365.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091124084008.a60de365.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [] confession... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:54:50 -0000 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:40:08AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:43 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > it's time to come clean an admit that i have never taken > > advantage of the option that lets you press [???], then press > > other keys in order so the result is like pressing multiple > > keys at once. > > After reading this paragraph, the whole thing sounds VERY > familiar to me. In your mind, open a picture of a Sun Type 5 > or 6 keyboard - or use google :-) - and look what's the key > on the lower right of the alphanumeric section. It is - oh > big surprise - the Compose key that acts quite the same way > that you described. It enables the user to compose a new > character by pressing its components one after another. > > I'm almost sure that this functionality can be forced upon > other modifier keys, such as "press shift - now "shift mode" > is on for the next character, press '1', and you get '!'; > now "shift mode" is off again". The same could work for the > other modifiers (ctrl, meta, alt, alt-gr). > > In fact, Meta just works this way, e. g. in the Midnight > Commander. For Meta-c, you press Esc, then c. The PC keyboard > usually does not come with a Meta key, so this solution is > very welcome. It can even emulate PF keys when the terminal > emulation doesn't support them, e. g. PF2 = Esc, 2. > > > > > everybody on this > > list has learned that forethought and planning beat typing > > speed! > > You are so right with that statement. Today's IT education, > be it professional schools or universities, seem to spit > out "programmers" that have coded some stuff in ten different > languages, but are completely unable to program with just > their brain, and maybe a pencil and some paper; this is > "old school", but produced all the programs the Internet > runs on. > > And: No, "trial & error" is not a programming concept. :-) > > > > > i'm ready to set up the multi-key stuff that's > > built in to at least KDE. > > > > appreciate a pointer to a url or tutorial on this... and/or > > to know what this feature is even called. it's time to get > > practical. i am stubborn, just not particular stupid. maybe > > "slow" :_) > > Sadly, I've abandoned KDE many years ago, so I can't help > you with that. > Another list member pointed me to the Control Center where they sticky-keys setup stuff is in KDE. Along with a couple examples. (I'll say for the 60 000th time that a good example is worth a thousand words:) I don't know how things are with the current IT grads, but when I did my first two quarters in BASIC at night school, I spent literally hours with textbook, paper and pencil walking thru sample code until it sunk in. That gave me some ideas when I took my first quarter of FORTRAN IV. cheers! gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php