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For me, FreeBSD is the primary OS not just on servers, but also on the desktop and on laptops - the platforms where "everyone" claims it's impossible to use it, and for the purposes claimed to be unsuitable. :-) > When they were teaching me programming, one of the fundamental > principles was: do not make any changes unless they are absolutely > necessary. It's also a very helpful core concept everywhere user data is involved: If you don't need it, don't ask for it. And don't store it. Data should become a liability, not an asset. That's why you don't need to register with "Facebook" when you want to use FreeBSD. ;-) > This principle is not followed these days wherever I look > (No: Mate desktop team does, that's why i like it). In environments where programmers are paid by the lines of code they emit, or where PHBs get promotions depending on how many changes they propose, this principle doesn't fit. Sadly, its opposite seems to become a general attitude in many places where software is either created or used... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...