Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:37:22 -0500 From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> Cc: scratch65535@att.net, krad <kraduk@gmail.com>, freebsd-ports <ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Is pkg quarterly really needed? Message-ID: <20170420053722.GD31559@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <29e44642-e301-f07c-afe3-bad735d8ee5e@freebsd.org> References: <58F61A8D.1030309@a1poweruser.com> <CALfReyctL3vTt756oyh1ZTf%2BkgpAOHwp_SUZQCFQiZDccFNMow@mail.gmail.com> <ljhffcphq3bqr8dk2lrlld11ola28b7gqp@4ax.com> <29e44642-e301-f07c-afe3-bad735d8ee5e@freebsd.org>
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I understand that having the quarterlies is not meeting your use case. You've said that. We get it. So you want some kind of running -quarterly branch. But where are the N hours of work per week to QA all the patches to the -quarterly branch, or a -stable branch, or whatever people seem to demand, to come from? This is a serious -- if very irritated -- request. We've moved from a "we don't have enough person-power to manage a ports branch" to "we kinda have enough person-power to manage both head and a kinda-branch." OK. That isn't meeting all the use cases. Understood. Are you going to volunteer for a team to run that QA? Who else do you think should be on it? Clearly the current volunteers don't have the bandwidth. It is hard enough just to kep ports-head building. Where do the hours come from? You're comparing your expectations of the output of what a professional QA team would do, to the work that N volunteers do. Obviously the results are not comparable. It's crazy to think that they would be. Honestly without some volunteers to do the _hard_, _unrewarding_, work to QA the ports tree, this is all either a) just talk, or b) people wanting volunteers to provide professional-level support, for free. tl;dr: provide some resources, or don't. I am getting to the point where I don't care either way. All I see is the people who are doing actual work get poked in the eye. mcl
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