From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 07:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA87397; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:35:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@blackskyresearch.net) Received: from rs149.luxsci.com (rs149.luxsci.com [64.49.224.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F0136D; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rs149.luxsci.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rs149.luxsci.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0R7ZRlQ011602; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:35:27 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs149.luxsci.com (8.14.4/8.13.8/Submit) id r0R7Z2IK011529; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:35:02 GMT Received: (from sender 74627) (rs149.luxsci.com [127.0.0.1]) by LuxSci SP; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:35:02 +0000 Subject: Re: removing CVS in Handbook Updating and Upgrading chapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Isaac (.ike) Levy" In-Reply-To: <20130127072036.GL1423@glenbarber.us> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:34:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1359241802-3572135.75152325.fr0QN9mrI032137@rs149.luxsci.com> <1359270722-3962523.11114096.fr0R7BNq4003267@rs149.luxsci.com> <20130127072036.GL1423@glenbarber.us> To: Glen Barber X-Lux-Comment: Message r0R7YAiH011169 sent by user #74627 Message-Id: <1359272102-5757022.21162222.fr0R7YAiH011169@rs149.luxsci.com> X-Comment: LuxSci SP Message ID - 1359272102-5757022.21162222 Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:35:29 -0000 On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:20 AM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 02:11:23AM -0500, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> Hi Warren, All, >>=20 >> I don't mean to exasperate you by pushing this thread, but this >> is a critical entry point for new FreeBSD users, >>=20 >> [...] >>=20 >> However, Nov. 17 isn't very long ago, warning of a process change >> which people have used and relied on for well over a decade- the >> kind of users which represent the majority of the base of the FreeBSD >> project, (people running lots of servers). >>=20 >=20 > Contradiction aside, recent events force the deprecation of CVS/cvsup. Understood- I'm not arguing the cvs/cvsup deprecation, I'm happy to see = svn come in for development. > It should have happened a long time ago (2007) when the src/ tree = moved > from CVS to SVN. If you're referring to deprecation warnings in the docs, I'm with you = 100%, hindsight is 20/20. >>=20 >> + ports, cvsup access end-of-lifed Feb 28 - great- drop all ports references to cvs/cvsup >> - source, cvsup deprecated - no end-of-life date set - please do not drop the current canonical base/src fetch method from = the handbook! However, cvsup is still merely deprecated, without a clear canonical = replacement, (per notes in my previous email). Therefore, I hope I'm being clearly understood that it's cleaner for = *users* to still fetch *base/src* with cvsup, until: - canonical src fetch replacement is in place - whenever cvsup for base/src has an end-of-life date set, (like ports = does- Feb. 28!) At that point, it seems rational that the last references to cvsup can = disappear. (The rest of CVS can disappear before that though?) Best, .ike