From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 17:57:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B18F1065677; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91E8FC23; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa03 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q0IHQ21B015666; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:57:43 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 12e24ug8v2-43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:57:43 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:56:30 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Igor Mozolevsky'" References: <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <03da01ccd603$94aca490$be05edb0$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <03ee01ccd60a$9249d130$b6dd7390$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFTuuDxM2D0gQ4oJ7TghrFqaFf0jQIwvkNsAbrfJ2MBrfIL3gM559Gylr4DMFA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-18_07:2012-01-17, 2012-01-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, 'Mark Felder' Subject: RE: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:57:46 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: mozolevsky@gmail.com [mailto:mozolevsky@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Igor > Mozolevsky > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:12 AM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: Julian Elischer; Mark Felder; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and life= cycle >=20 > On 18 January 2012 17:06, Devin Teske wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > >> hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Julian Elischer > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:56 AM > >> To: Mark Felder > >> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and > >> lifecycle > >> > > [snip] > > > >> Where I used to work (Devin Teske is now there) we used to use the 's= table' > >> branch and rolll our own releases. > >> the criticality of those systems was hard to over-emphasize. In 2005 > >> we worked out we processed 1.5 trillion dollars of transactions on tho= se > systems. > >> > > > > Got new stats. In 2011 we ran $1.61T USD through FreeBSD. > > > > Separately, we ran another $0.05T USD through Linux in the same year. > > > > Kinda says something about, doesn't it? >=20 > Sorry to burst your bubble but this is utterly meaningless statistic. > You show nothing but correlation and in no way a causation. Back in the d= ays > when the UK banks ran ATMs, &c on Windows NT (I have no idea what they are > running now) they went through a lot more "value" than that---means absol= utely > nothing... >=20 No worries... you're not bursting anyone's bubble here. We are limited as to what metrics we can publish in this open forum. If there's some information that would better put this into perspective, fe= el free to ask, but we are always at liberty to decline if the published in= formation would violate any federal laws. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.