From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Apr 16 4:18:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1237B897 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26641 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:18:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA00759 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AA337B85D for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from popserver-02.iinet.net.au (popserver-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.148]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17465; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:18:12 +0800 Received: from jules.elischer.org (reggae-01-122.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.62.122]) by popserver-02.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA32261; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:18:09 +0800 Message-ID: <38F9A104.3F54BC7E@elischer.org> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:51 -0700 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shells References: <31345.955883432@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Two reasons of the top of my head: GPL'd and gratuitously incompatible. > > GPL'd things go into /usr/src/gnu - no big deal. If we were overly > squeamish about the GPL then we wouldn't have "grep" or a compiler > toolchain either, among other things, and I doubt anybody's arguing > for killing those. The ash shell is just bad enough that I'd consider > a change of license for a truly functional shell out-of-the-box to > be a more than acceptable trade-off. From the perspective of a company using FreeBSD embedded, /bin/sh is not an otional component so we would want a non GPL version if we could get it. Luckily it isn't linked with anything like (say) gdbm but it's yet another GPL pin in the 'minimum system' I need for an embedded system. The size of BASH is also a consideration when I'm trying to ge everything into a 2MB flash. if you do want BASH in the base system, please don't take away ash. > > As to the second argument, you'll have to explain yourself, sonny. :) > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Perth v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message