From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 8 01:30:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2765843; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 01:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pd0-x22b.google.com (mail-pd0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7EA22531; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 01:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id g10so7946941pdj.16 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2013 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ypoWWnhFIWoaelKQTjhNpOELAZhOkOML9v4+P6OHhIE=; b=cBGIdsiyRAz34OHKSh2F2ITSACr9eLLtY4y6vtvvYlQazLoJcPjex9gkvWO1wi93es 6n19kbX4L9iiWrY4+v3s0Ah4i3M1ZZlkXlZSBeCq+sSOVq1nyWOwLA+IWweKEIctFZdY 1X7WkCM9TOmZixWE8WC+njWe/RP8p7RkZeVG4ImM2kuA1SaRvCrVBKIFO02Z2d5GY32B 1GgBBjMzqAWyo5gkHHF898MoeMmGU0jhJpXp6tk9gbnh+dCn16oOmTK2aVBrnYyKRX7V KUYpIb/iRQVRefX+GwzVTnl1VcOgnGGbZX4dKoiton8HlL59gD7Auc4Azs/RaEtikP+W e1tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.25.173 with SMTP id d13mr496738pag.146.1381195845336; Mon, 07 Oct 2013 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.92.79 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52535CFC.6010704@freebsd.org> References: <29D748F4-5E38-4587-BC7F-0141234C2F62@orthanc.ca> <6CEFF9B8-A62A-4616-A0FF-BDDDE1027A7E@FreeBSD.org> <132C8A43-E822-49C3-A1EA-493A40449AD4@orthanc.ca> <525347DD.5090702@freebsd.org> <1381193888.1130.42.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <7C8EB71B-DBA4-49F3-80F4-D579A596A540@orthanc.ca> <52535CFC.6010704@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rcs is gone? From: Adam Vande More To: Julian Elischer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: core@freebsd.org, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , Lyndon Nerenberg , Ian Lepore X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 01:30:46 -0000 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 10/8/13 9:05 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >> On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: >> >> I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion >>> involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it >>> showed up in some of the messages there. >>> >> I don't see any discussion as to why the code (CVS, in this case) *needs* >> to be removed. >> >> What, in the current builds of 10.x, is broken by leaving RCS/CVS in >> place? And what, as 10.x moves forward towards a public release, will be >> broken by leaving this code in the base? >> > I have less of a problem with replacing CVS with svnlite than I have with > removing RCS. > After all CVS's main reason for being in the system has switched to > svnlite. > And if you are using CVS yourself for other developement, you are probbaly > further > on with installing a system and are already installing other packages. > that's not the case with RCS. I know that people use it as part of their > install > procedure. Plus RCS is used within other tools. e.g. patch etc. It's also > a REALLY SMALL > utility, suitable for embedding into scripts etc. (the Unix way(TM)) I > consider it a base utility. > It does a simple operation on a file. > > the discussion in arch was A YEAR AGO, was hidden under a differnet title, > and DID NOT RESULT > in a clear mandate to remove RCS. > > Please put it back, and inthe mena while while we discuss it properly this > time, please revert the commit > (official request.. as described in the group rules). I would like to see RCS remain in base as well. Many enterprise distro still ship it by default too. There is no compelling reason to remove it. -- Adam Vande More