From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 19 01:37:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B3C16A474; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from ns1.cityscope.net (mail.cityscope.net [66.151.76.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC643D45; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:37:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from ingrid (user-0cetm18.cable.mindspring.com [24.238.216.40]) by ns1.cityscope.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id k5J1bX0V015840; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200606190137.k5J1bX0V015840@ns1.cityscope.net> From: "Ingrid Kast Fuller" To: "'David Hoffman'" , "'Dennis Olvany'" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaTPneS36sEkKQpRuaO7GRhEmZKIwAAekuQ In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-0, 06/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: 'thisdayislong' , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:37:24 -0000 Your quote below is incorrect, we have been in contact with the owner of the article and he has approved the uploaded version which includes his name at the bottom." The HOUFUG website has a copyright of it's own for the design, images and other content. We have referenced the owner of this article as approved by Brett Soupman. At this point we are done with this copyright issue, it has been resolved ammicably with the owner. "....they have removed any reference to the true owner and have claimed it as their own." Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Net 713-477-6161 3910 Fairmont Parkway #264 Pasadena, TX 77504-3076 http://www.cityscope.net _____ From: David Hoffman [mailto:zionicman@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:20 PM To: Dennis Olvany Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org; thisdayislong; ingrid@cityscope.net Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany wrote: I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright. I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed copyrightable under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ratified, including the United States, where the content is hosted. The United States, as well as many other countries, also have national laws which allow this work to be copyrighted. It's also important to note that HouFUG clearly believes the work can be copyrighted, since they have included a copyright notice on the page. This implies tremendous bad faith: regardless of whether or not the article is copyrightable (it is), they have removed any reference to the true owner and have claimed it as their own. This is not acceptable behaviour.