Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:51:00 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> To: Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org> Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. Message-ID: <201905151551.x4FFp0UP067236@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Your message "Wed, 15 May 2019 17:38:36 %2B0200." <20190515153836.GU20962@fc.opsec.eu>
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Hi, Reference: > From: Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org> > Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:38:36 +0200 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > > > > PR headline : "FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins." > > > > > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2019-May/date.html > > > > > > > > Volunteers who contribute actual fixes are very much appreciated; > > > > But those styled as 'management' who delay announcements to batch floods > > > > damage us. > > > > > > 8 announcements and one freebsd-update is easier on the > > > admin and the re-team than 8 announcements and 8 freebsd-update runs. > > > > > > That's probably why they are batched. Because all of the fixes > > > are bundled in one update. > > > > > > If the re-team-capacity is limited, what would be the alternative? > > > Alternative is to for announcers to do Less work: > > Send each announcement when ready. > > The problem is not the announcement, the problem is providing > the freebsd-update. > > If announcements are send when ready, and the freebsd-update is > not ready, therefore, the timeframes to attack systems with unpatched > problems are much longer. True as far as that goes for binary users, but often source patches are available faster, which begs the question: when to announce ? When there's diffs ? When diffs are commited to src/ (used to be the norm *) ? When there's some binary update ? Whne a whole bunch of 8 arrive in 3 minutes ? Gasp ! * I happen to use src/ never use freebsd-update. Equally bound to be some who use binary updates & not source Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers died.
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