From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 15:29:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73FEE8E53A for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 706F9690D3 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nh4IenyHUdX1SNh4Le6W77; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNh4I-0007kJ-5q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:34 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:29:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJat7YiFklaXJNEI7GfRX54iXFbObtTw+kCdNAHYe1hz2JKjhJnTA6UfaAENtbiSpiol8CLmbdn/E/HmIuKc7gSJd6r7nVL03mH0r8HsNOX1vlHQwoX6 aL2F0/WifnTNFCqnJPIzqctVl404NYcIMpx/h0yMVLkKZSZW9FNEDBIFGZh3l8rsVlFZK0fYRAL+EyWWKCars5/S6wVW+wartZw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:29:40 -0000 On 12/09/17 08:27, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:20:11 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >> The writing is on the wall. >> >> Looks like I am no longer welcome around here > > What makes you believe that? /rant on Because when I have something to say I get jumped on and I have been removed from all the mailing lists except this one. It is a matter of time and I will be kicked from this one. Maybe this list was missed when I was kicked from the others > > I am _not_ speaking for any community or other people, > it's just a honest question raised by myself... > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, because this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable work load just to make it function. Some of the issues: Lack of direction. No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boot, so dig out the USB drive source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. You should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants to listen to alternatives. After trying packaged base no one could tell me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. Hell no one knew how to remove the base package entries in the pkg database. I found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it seems to have taken a back seat to pkg development. Regular breakage when I use synth, that is just not acceptable. Can not boot ZFS raid system from a boot loader, I have to hit the "F8" key and select a drive to boot. No one seem to know if grub2 would work. when I started using freebsd ver 10.1 I was told just wait for rev 11 and package base will be there.....Really? Now out of the blue sendmail is going to bite the dust in version 13, if that is really true. Given the lack of finishing things I have my doubts. The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been completed. BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. The move off of GNU software in base was to have been completed and has not been. I was looking for a "system" to use in my entire organization and though freebsd would work accross the different archs. I was completely wrong. These are the only things that come to mind, I have had to endure others. If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a time and actually finishing them. So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to return to something stable and something that makes sense. Incapatibilies plays a part too. Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". /rant off