From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 18 22:44:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE20137B6A4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05456; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:43:51 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101190643.TAA05456@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:43:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Patch to fix "make buildkernel requires full obj directory" mistake Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <200101190313.f0J3Dvs50534@harmony.village.org> References: Your message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:23:41 GMT." <20010119012341.B98401@tao.org.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 18 Jan 2001, at 20:13, Warner Losh wrote: > Still, I don't think it is too onerous a requirement that a buildworld > have happened first. I disagree. Unless you qualify the above, you're saying that if I install FreeBSD for the first time, in order to create a custom kernel, I need to make world. Sorry, but that's breaking a long standing tradition of not needing to make world before building a customer kernel. And expecting someone new to FreeBSD to master build world before getting them used to building a kernel is a bit too much of an ask. > The other reason to encourage it strongly is that there are too many > binary incompatibilities with the kernel interface for some programs, > even in -stable, so we'd want to encourage people to build and install > both at the same time. I'd imagine that the same sort of argument > would apply for picobsd since you don't want that to be cross > threaded. :-). But maybe I'm being overly paranoid here. Maybe I've > answered one too many questions that boil down to "just rebuild the > world and stop arguing with me, things will start to work". Either we change the handbook to make it clear, as I hope my patch[1] does, or we fix buildkernel so it works as advertised in the handbook. I don't mind either solution. [1] -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message