From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 14:21:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700701065681 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2130E8FC18 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so393128rne.12 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=PuQZG8SZ0+85eDxOcanCks2wjxCHY1njcA6LIebaV4k=; b=NPan6fkV0FzHutj/U+1J2QgYix4Fj43d54eNWjHw6Ft8Oc7H8L30nyZk14B1ZruSV4 +vhYAGs9hLMnyun0dBRvp0PKYyrpf0sFzB/cE7GMjf4cu8RVU2O5KksrmB+FFhNiKns+ Cbo7B6kGbkeSDRJvH9e+3Dj/uaEuDLlq9MWUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N2ZCN6HemUgdMCVc72EXMYCMmk9m7QRvVujdGfSZsj/GQqG1kL6xXsPF7XRtOLmo/8 kTIcrYvKvG03glvECNjLP+c0eJzFoe8WrejNoNMwsi97fg6Sh8XW9k8SgF31VBnuNTKK P5O/o4T7pHIAw9TMBOaJPg3N0cCBXsE/5b2yo= Received: by 10.151.48.20 with SMTP id a20mr8255445ybk.111.1215438938634; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.141.2 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b30fd140807070655o5f5887b6k2ae11b03a0fb0bb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:55:38 +0100 From: "David Collins" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:21:52 -0000 I have just moved to freeBSD from debian (and obviously windows before that) I also have OS X. I reinstalled OS X for my girlfriend and there is nothing to be done, it is so easy.... but .... I also don't have a clue what it does, and have no real reason to find out. The freeBSD (7.0) install I thought was fairly easy! Admitedly I did go into it assuming it was the same as debian, and if it didn't look the same well assume it is the same anyway. The only tricky part is the disk setup, but without knowing anything about slices and partitions I closed my eyes and went ahead managing to get it working (I learned about slices after). I do only have a base system installed, and I don't like installing from sysinstall. It is very slow. It didn't take too much effort to find out how the ports system works, it was just difficult determining which path to choose since there are a number of ways to update. I was really surprised when my wireless card worked, linux was a pain! Even knowing how to set it up it still requires install wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant and then making it work on boot. None of this on freeBSD. I think *BSD and linux is more for the tech savy, and if you make it too easy people assume everything is done for them and they become illiterate. David (one happy new freeBSD user)