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Date:      Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:24:15 -0700
From:      John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
To:        Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Cc:        Konstantin Belousov <kib@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r332091 - stable/11/sys/vm
Message-ID:  <2836835.6EQUElDheF@ralph.baldwin.cx>
In-Reply-To: <20180411214935.GQ4305@zxy.spb.ru>
References:  <201804060925.w369P8c2019558@repo.freebsd.org> <2552898.N5SmTfmv87@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20180411214935.GQ4305@zxy.spb.ru>

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On Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:49:35 AM Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 02:27:48PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:49:20 PM Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:52:08AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 09, 2018 07:29:09 PM Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 09:25:08AM +0000, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Author: kib
> > > > > > Date: Fri Apr  6 09:25:08 2018
> > > > > > New Revision: 332091
> > > > > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/332091
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Log:
> > > > > >   MFC r331760:
> > > > > >   Make vm_map_max/min/pmap KBI stable.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Modified:
> > > > > >   stable/11/sys/vm/vm_map.c
> > > > > >   stable/11/sys/vm/vm_map.h
> > > > > > Directory Properties:
> > > > > >   stable/11/   (props changed)
> > > > > 
> > > > > -STABLE still crashed after load vboxnet build on 11.1-RELEASE
> > > > > nvidia (build on 11.1-RELEASE) also don't work
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, this only helps with the future KBI, it doesn't restore the
> > > > existing one.  However, r320889 which was committed earlier should
> > > > have restored the KBI?
> > > 
> > > I am not sure.  It might have, but there might be more breakage
> > > accumulated.  My current opinion is that both vbox and nvidia (as well as
> > > in-tree and out of tree drm modules) must be marked as tied.  The modules
> > > definitely depends on much more kernel interfaces than a typical HBA or
> > > network controller driver, for which the stability claim is actually
> > > intended to apply.
> > 
> > I do think virtualbox is probably too hard to make work, but I didn't think
> > the nvidia driver was that bad.
> > 
> > I think that for kmods in ports we should consider moving to a different model
> > than we currently do where the port installs the source for the kernel
> > module to a standard location and we could have a way to rebuild all of the
> > modules as needed.  This would permit us to provide PORTS_MODULES-type
> > functionality via either ports or packages (and it is a bit more flexible as
> > you wouldn't to deinstall/reinstall the package each time you just wanted to
> > rebuild the kernel module).
> > 
> > I would suggest something like /usr/local/src/modules/<foo> and a
> > 'LOCAL_MODULES' kernel option that is a list of '<foo> <bar>' to replace
> > PORTS_MODULES.  A package could still ship an initial module by default, but
> > recompiling the module would either overwrite it, or if the module is built as
> > part of the kernel (via LOCAL_MODULES) the new one would be installed with the
> > kernel itself into /boot/kernel leaving the one from the package in
> > /boot/modules.  For tied modules we could simply build it with a strict
> > MODULE_DEPEND line on the kernel so that the pre-built module won't load on
> > newer kernels and then encourage the user to use LOCAL_MODULES in pkg-message.
> > Using LOCAL_MODULES would be better than PORTS_MODULES as it would DTRT if you
> > move kernel to kernel.old during an upgrade, etc.
> 
> Hmm, what about packages? I am use nvidia driver as package.

Yes, in this model, the package would include the necessary sources to rebuild
the kernel module as part of the package, installed to /usr/local/src/modules/nvidia-driver
or some such.  The package could still install a pre-built module to
/boot/modules/nvidia-driver.ko, but if you had 'options LOCAL_MODULES="nivida-driver"
in your kernel config, then each time you built a kernel it would build an
nvidia-driver.ko from /usr/local/src/modules/nvidia-driver that would be
installed to /boot/kernel and would thus take precedence over the version in
/boot/modules.  For kernel modules that really need to be tied to the current
kernel we would recommend using LOCAL_MODULES when using custom kernels in the
pkg-message.

-- 
John Baldwin



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