From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 18:49:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0724F580 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A42A2F7 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1434912582; bh=8GRTanxztseJqi+izTNwBEHRGSUATc3wYkQv44oSm78=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=QfjYvAKWkOwp+ha7WcCr6/OkZfusTkxYlwh2hnh2sXAqOanJ4KdHeDAS9O/HlZ8rruTUljjT4mO7IlxWepMnKLomZnNJRBBTa3i5MEcGUyA7bMLZ+vUFftxfJoFEc6ECLlAwzs293ccOPqAiTxaxsdnhFtQxDhvsEYsnrHnx7R695EVOJa6OG3VDd0a5HsEhmcMFRBrDgqOZ9quXDyS9w706k5v2xQF+RZj+ksG8kdveblpG7rYg20lbJTdNDnJf8xgGxidQOvHbN0oaetNOb8HkE8ZwUKQa1O8bGAVZBMeF5xWrhjy6hxPgQHnwSUjnqK3lmXExVTcv+w1oaEglcA== Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.76] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 18:49:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp233.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 18:49:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 130054.23921.bm@smtp233.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 5dtQaCkVM1naoI2Olmu6WZvpGfIdIqywOWOQ2DKOGGBgrlE vVEImgLluQkJvFJkdoEivNepflxyQKECcVfFnWGgiFQMDIiK739y5URD.13N 2zz1VFhjboOGlVa5bsfRHsL7hhHGmoyLclJRsnsO..BJDx4X_rWfnukF440s P8.D.NG4YR6NNkqijnw5RNwDKPY2BIEjoo5vJNGw.Z46VQ9SgYzYdTU7ZQf9 GNbcO3TtFwtX_RUSFtoz9AmrB2LZCcOLHhK309vbGzDTb.3amdSE_ZLcmfll N1zk22glKW7_MPlcUDED4.WgrI0keggoBz.xOrwVA6Ivx4v5KvO859oK3WmP ZrlSDO5YgZK.Ek4shoW585PJzFRe9rALLMiJIhtRKocnWrcDEYAOPS1ZnSaH o7Y9kUw2GKugQ2qSjcP.MRF5o8QD3Dk49PzT.UN15fVGWRH4QwTsCc6yGy64 Emc47GuPv5kn6jcQuNX1BUJTY8e_sdMwysfqHUvbyBdhz01ZFsMl8lI1sda_ o7_j9PwdyW0IlJ6w2vd3ZUSWoOX.hxPgm X-Yahoo-SMTP: xcjD0guswBAZaPPIbxpWwLcp9Unf Message-ID: <55870752.6060802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:49:54 -0500 From: Pedro Giffuni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Chadd CC: Oliver Pinter , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , David Chisnall , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: svn commit: r268137 - head/sys/sys References: <201407020845.s628jRG5031824@svn.freebsd.org> <5BE3492F-86A0-4CE3-A27C-8DB5EB662C64@FreeBSD.org> <55842F16.5040608@FreeBSD.org> <20150620023835.N2562@besplex.bde.org> <55861046.4050501@FreeBSD.org> <20150621154332.U976@besplex.bde.org> <5586CD3F.4000008@FreeBSD.org> <5586DB53.8080800@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:49:50 -0000 Hi; On 06/21/15 12:03, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > I don't think we should be worrying about what hypothetical downstream > users of freebsd are doing. If they want to actively ensure things are > backwards compatible for their needs, then they should step up and > actively fund + participate in development. I agree, but I don't set the policies and we do carry stuff related to older compilers and things like the old linux i386-only intel compiler. > So if we're somehow /still/ supporting gcc-2.8.1 because -core decided > that we should support it - please step up and tell us why and who. > Otherwise, let's keep pushing forward to at least the busted old gcc > we /do/ support, with an eye towards the future. > For reference. I had to do this to accommodate for pre-C99 compilers: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=280801 I don't see myself going back to redo the headers to take advantage of the variadic macros, but it would be nice to have a policy that doesn't keep us in the past. Pedro.