From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Dec 14 3:45:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC6B37B419; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.140.14.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.140.14] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16EqmT-0002Jj-00; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:45:34 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fBEBjUK02855; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:45:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:45:30 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Mike Smith Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting rid of /usr file system (was: Using a larger block size on large filesystems) Message-ID: <20011214034530.A822@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20011213105719.B4987@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200112131908.fBDJ8el02057@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200112131908.fBDJ8el02057@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:08:40AM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:08:40AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:45:11AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: > > > Since it has been this way since OpenBSD 2.5, if not earlier, I > > > think it is safe to say that that is not a high-demand function > > > of the OS by OpenBSD users. Thinking about it, I don't think I > > > have ever printed a manual page. > > > > Well, count me on the list of people who would be pissed if someone > > decided to do this. I'm all for installed the cat pages by default, but > > nobody is going to take away "man -t" support without a fight. I print > > manpages all the time when I want to read through them and I'll need > > them for more then a few minutes. > > I'd have to agree; I'd much rather dump the whole catpages thing (it's a > bad tradeoff, IMO; CPU speed is cheaper than disk space) but certainly > dropping the ability to print manpages would just be stupid. "CPU is cheaper than disk space?" Disk space is jaw-droppingly cheap. We're talking single-digit dollars per GB. And I think there are a lot more legacy (386, 486, Pentiums) with a big new hard drive, than fast CPUs with old, tiny (<1 GB) HDDs. It's not like the catpages take up lots of space. They are smaller than the manpages, $ echo /usr/bin/catman | su -m man $ du -ck /usr/share/man/man* | fgrep total 7189 total $ du -ck /usr/share/man/cat* | fgrep total 5974 total On a "small" modern HDD, 2 GB, the catpages would occupy 0.3% of the drive. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's hilarious." Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message