From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 16 11:47:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A259D16A41A for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoctogram@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74913C467 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:47:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoctogram@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so1514519aga for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:47:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=NNQ1DhBX9+itw29RZrT4HzbieiDNgfT1Hi3lNbFLqeU=; b=qnnCQ92xReRBOyMvjz1FqtTioSdi52J+rOAdDmDkhDqyH0h7vs7IdepnKwHKB6PH9aGG6kF1mjg+7oRaJKURGeqZub+2Xt2DqxGRkvVHzinGoTOWcjjnRAl8k/t/ADGq9aAvXqdHZFx2cQfA1MaO+L5cTdRoyDE1qOwYzktcbdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=CjRZ+E+RBZLRYA1n17puzY0Pq89ihZmp5bAh0BkugHDYj8R4gcXQWPRq076LTUhSVJ2wqKXIfg6nwZEwUM27PWJJPg4AhAqpvY2o1Jy6T0otjSDVwDrTb66rQd3J9T4RNqA+RT82Xy37OU5lrI4eyPfSDlVwH3AAPEgf0ATWtZ8= Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr4214153pyk.1192534427191; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mewtwo ( [74.15.201.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n27sm6482339pyh.2007.10.16.04.33.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019901c80fe8$3cb62b20$6401a8c0@Mewtwo> From: "YoctoGram" To: "Constantine A. Murenin" , "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <4800.1192516602@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:32:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:27:15 +0000 Cc: Shteryana Shopova , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: I backed out the sensors framework X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:47:38 -0000 > If it is biased, it is biased against the code and not the person(s). I'm sorry, but who are you to decide? Who did accept and approved this project in the first place? Why should Google be spending any more money on "approved" FreeBSD SoC... if, at the end, it get "backed out" ? I personally don't care about this project. But, for what I can remember, the members of this project seemed to be one of the most enthusiastic and voluble about it... So, if there was a problem with "the code"... why didn't you (or any of the FreeBSD leaders) took action(s) sooner? // Yocto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" To: "Constantine A. Murenin" Cc: "Shteryana Shopova" ; ; "Alexander Leidinger" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:36 AM Subject: Re: I backed out the sensors framework > In message <47143BE4.6060905@FreeBSD.org>, "Constantine A. Murenin" > writes: >>On 15/10/2007 16:13, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> > >>There are tonnes of unused compatibility stuff in FreeBSD; backing out >>some interface that could have been used as a compatibility layer with >>something that is actually heavily used in the neighbouring BSD projects >>is unwarranted and obviously biased. > > If it is biased, it is biased against the code and not the person(s). > > If you compare at NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD, you will find a quite > visible difference in the architectural attitude the projects take > to various problems. > > The short summary is that NetBSD focuses a lot on portability, > OpenBSD on security and FreeBSD on scalability and usability. > > The area where the architectural mindset is most different > is probably security, closely followed by system management. > > These differences are a good thing. > > But it also means, that what may seem architecturally sound in one > project, is not going to fly in another. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by > incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >