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Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PtDrXu5RtjT27EGYykWKB08u19WdJvpsg" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:14:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PtDrXu5RtjT27EGYykWKB08u19WdJvpsg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="voeJ1sdgUlfcFjlLnjHbV9Es6FwtgB7Fi"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Message-ID: <35d1fdd4-3aac-7b2b-a778-36c517da7ade@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Which platform should I download for FreeBSD? References: <639A96B3-0661-47B9-81A7-1284A6AE9733@icloud.com> In-Reply-To: --voeJ1sdgUlfcFjlLnjHbV9Es6FwtgB7Fi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/09/2018 14:20, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Jason Lindsey via freebsd-arch wrote on 2018/09/09 01:53: >> I hope you help me, >> >> I own a iMac 64, and do not know if I should download amd64 or arm64 >> platforms to support FreeBSD.=C2=A0 I would appreciate an answer to my= >> question ASAP, in that I currently learning Solaris 10 and other >> versions of BSD software.=C2=A0 I would like to include FreeBSD in my = studies. Solaris 10 is SysV, not BSD. You have to go all the way back to SunOS 4.x for the last BSD variant from Sun. A pedantic distinction I know, but it's what some of us live for. > I don't own any Apple products but AFAIK all modern Apple computers are= > using Intel x86 CPUs. If this is true for your model then you need to > download amd64 version of FreeBSD system. According to Wikipedia (the source of all knowledge....) the iMac G3, G4 or G5 systems were based on PowerPC processors -- - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G5 However those were discontinued in 2006 in favour of the Intel based iMac= - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based) So, unless the OP has a rather elderly machine, amd64 is the architecture you need. There did use to be some PPC support in FreeBSD, but it never was a Tier-1 architecture, and I think it's basically unsupported if not gone entirely on up-to-date versions of the OS. 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