From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 13 16: 8:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D98437B417 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13351 invoked by uid 100); 14 Mar 2002 00:08:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15503.59899.400935.847878@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:08:27 -0600 To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: /etc/make.conf question Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020313185236.T35428-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> References: <20020313185236.T35428-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.48 (Python 2.2 on freebsd4) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Replies have been pointed to -chat. Please use that.] In <20020313185236.T35428-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org>, Chris BeHanna types: > On 13 Mar 2002, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > > > Better to pull and wait at least a short time before building to ensure > > > one has all the commits of a change. > > The wait won't ensure that, of course. How DOES one ensure that? > > I cvsup at least twice. If I get no changes the second time, I'm > reasonably certain that what I have is not a mid-commit snapshot. > > Of course, I don't do this every night, or even every week--that > might be a bit abusive to the mirror. > > When Subversion comes out (authored by many of the same fine folks > who brought you CVS, in an effort to do away with the myriad hacks > that comprise CVS), it will support atomic commits, which will neatly > do away with the "I checked out my sources in the middle of someone > else's commit" problem. I don't know if the FreeBSD Project will > switch (I've heard rumblings about Perforce), but I personally (as RE > at my company) will be taking a very long look at Subversion, in the > hopes that it will solve many of the gripes that people have with CVS > (it'll also save me from doing a lot of scripting hacks to add > quasi-transactional behavior on top of CVS). I haven't run into subversion before. The most interesting one last time around was Bitkeeper. Perforce currently solves those problems, and the people there love *BSD. However, it was built to look like a proprietary system they used elsewhere, not like CVS. Can you provide a pointer to Subversion? I'd like to see how many of the obscure things I do with Perforce it can be made to do as well. Thanks http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message