From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 14 08:58:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16279 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16274 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19002; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970514115717.00bcf280@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:57:21 -0400 To: dg@root.com From: dennis Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:25 PM 5/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >>>I can't see why not. They've been doing it for the last 15 years, I >>>can't see them stopping now. If they do, I can see a lot of people >>>giving them the Diamond/Matrox/Microchannel shoulder. >> >>Because they posted $1.40 loss per share last quarter, and haven't >>had a profitable quarter in a year. Because their stock, which was >>trading at 28 at the start of '95, is now hovering around 8. Because >>no matter what you think their economies of scale are, they cant >>compete with Taiwanese labor costs, and cant turn a profit selling >>against boards that sell for $35. > > They've always sold cards with NICs with publically available specs, so >nothing that has occurred in the last year has anything to do with this. >As I'm sure you know, just about all networking stocks are way down at the >moment, not just SMC and 3Com, but Cisco, Bay Networks, and everyone else >producing networking products. Try again. Actually, you are wrong David. What's "occurred" is a massive expansion in demand that allows multiple clone manufactures to buy parts in HUGE quantities and sell at tiny margins. THAT, is a big occurrance, particulary when the price point of these ASICs drop to nearly nothing at very large quantities. Dennis