From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 02:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45EA16A4DD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from openbsdmisc@breeno.net) Received: from spunkymail-a11.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A13F43D46 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:23:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from openbsdmisc@breeno.net) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (static24-72-118-207.regina.accesscomm.ca [24.72.118.207]) by spunkymail-a11.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE243B6BCA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44F64803.1000802@breeno.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:22:59 -0600 From: Breen Ouellette User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles M. Hannum" References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:23:02 -0000 Charles M. Hannum wrote: > [I'm CCing this to FreeBSD and OpenBSD lists in order to share it with > the wider *BSD community, not to start a flame war. I hope that people > reading it have the tact to be respectful of their peers, and consider > how some of these issues may apply to them as well.] This is completely irrelevant to OpenBSD, except in that it seems to vindicate Theo de Raadt for the crap he went through when he was ousted from the NetBSD project. What possessed you to post this to an OpenBSD list? Now, thanks to the cross posting, the misc@openbsd.org list gets to endure a bunch of cross posts from NetBSD users and FreeBSD users on topics which are completely outside the scope of this list. Great. If you don't like the direction (or lack of it) that the NetBSD project is taking, and since your post indirectly talks up nearly every aspect of OpenBSD that Theo implemented to escape the problems he encountered with NetBSD, while simultaneously talking down a lot of the politics within NetBSD that Theo has complained about, maybe you need to take your reasoning one step further and follow Theo's lead - fork NetBSD. Whining on *BSD lists is not going to get you where you want to go. You might as well pray to a god to send NetBSD a messiah. If you want a leader then be a leader. I could go on, but then I am just exacerbating the problem. This really isn't relevant to OpenBSD, and I urge other lists' users to consider whether CCing your reply back to misc@openbsd.org is relevant. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Breen Ouellette