From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 21 00:21:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436F16A4CF for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:21:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.vantronix.net (dhal.vantronix.net [145.253.64.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E6443D48 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:21:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reyk@vantronix.net) Received: (qmail 8562 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Mar 2005 00:23:38 -0000 From: reyk@vantronix.net Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:23:38 +0100 To: Tomas Quintero Message-ID: <20050321002338.GD7685@mail1.vantronix.net> References: <200503202210.j2KMATnF017447@cvs.openbsd.org> <9e46c99e05032014222270fe04@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e46c99e05032014222270fe04@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: Adaptec X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:21:32 -0000 hi tomas, On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:22:16PM -0500, Tomas Quintero wrote: > I'm sorry, but aside from the chain of emails subject'd Adaptec AAC > raid support, what good does this email serve to the > freebsd-questions@ mailing lists? The only thing this is doing is > perpetuating the cycle of emails which is simply clogging inboxes. > While some of the discussion may be constructive or useful in the > other thread, this is not. > it's the main interest of many many many users to have open source drivers for their hardware! i'm working on a free driver for atheros wireless chipsets since a long time and i get an amazing feedback from quite a lot people. i started this project for the first generation of atheros' chipsets before there was any madwifi or ath binary-blob. atheros was not very happy about my work but the users - the open source community - encouraged me to continue my efforts. i implemented it for openbsd but i also continuously get massive feedback from freebsd, netbsd and linux people who are upset about their partially non-free and binary-only options. of course, my driver does not support all the proprietary and bleeding edge features, like the binary-blob does, but everything for basic operation is mostly done. it's the choice of the freebsd _users_ if they want to lose their freedom to get some "features" (and pleased manufacturers) or if they want to have free software with all of it's benefits. > Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily > and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email > belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists. > > -Tomas Quintero > FreeBSD User > from the FreeBSD website: ---snip--- FreeBSD is free While you might expect an operating system with these features to sell for a high price, FreeBSD is available free of charge and comes with full source code. If you would like to purchase or download a copy to try out, more information is available. ---snap--- the users should ask the developers - where is the full source code? so it's absolutely correct from theo to cc the freebsd-questions@ mailing list because it's a _main_question_! we care about freebsd, netbsd and even linux because this behaviour hurts the entire open source community. more and more manufacturers are having success with getting their binary-blobs into "free" operating systems. what next? it's like accepting software patents or ridiculous copyright acts, but nobody benefits from it in a long term. some huge companies may have some initial business advantages if they protect their "intellectual property", cover everything with patents and close their hard- and software. but it does have a immense drawback, it will stop a society's technical and economical progress and the users are free to buy open and well-supported hardware from companies like ralinktech or lsi. and btw., it has always been a great benefit to _all_ of the free operating systems to share good code and to improve it in an ongoing development. free software development is like evolution and not like genetically enhanced glowing fishes which are unable to reproduce. i have some friends who are addicted to freebsd and i'm addicted to openbsd, but we're all certain about the need for 100% free software. reyk