From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 21:55:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09762 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA09754 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 38734 invoked from network); 10 Apr 1998 04:55:20 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 1998 04:55:20 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm5-185.realtime.net [205.238.146.185]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA07760; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:55:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:01:50 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl Reply-To: John Kenagy To: Open Systems Networking cc: questions freebsd , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My response to everything bing said. Yesss!!! To all!!! I'm an olde fart ex-system flogger from way back. All of what everyone is saying is needed. It is marketing, marketing, marketing.... It does *not matter* how good your product is. You *will* be run over by a big marketing machine. But when it is real good, like FreeBSD, you do have something that treated right, could be a silver bullet. 1. Pedigree. When I got back to playing with computers & began looking about for something like vi to edit with under windows, I found Linux. "A unix like..." Then stumbled across FreeBSD, a joke? Well, reading further, I discovered emacs and a lot of other stuff I recognized. But, what pulled me in was the BSD pedigree, and that *alone*! I may get flamed for this but I cannot think of Linux as anything more than a cute little pc os. I don't run games. I *did* have to support customers whose livelyhood depended on their computers running every day - no exceptions. That meant a real OS with real depth. Any operating system whose kernel is controlled by one person, libraries provided by second, third, fourth parties or *whatever*, and applications from yet other sources, well that is a recipe for failure. I had to learn that lesson the hard way. Your operating system should be invisible, flawless, and d-e-p-e-n-d-a-b-l-e. This FreeBSD is a "lead pipe" cinch winner. I cannot say it has *ever* failed in almost two years of using it. I was one of the first AT&T value added resellers in Los Angeles. I cannot make the same claim of dependability about the SV based accounting systems we sold. Period. 2. Dependable. Users can be as "bleeding edge" or as conservative as they wish. Dependability is available with FreeBSD. Linux is... I'm not sure where. I think a mirage. So, you've got pedigree and dependability. You need suits. PR and an appeal to the conservative and corporate. I'm going to cast about here in Austin and see what I can discover. All I need is a heartbeat and a dialtone. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message