From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 20 18:18:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC14106566B for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx03.dls.net (mx03.dls.net [216.145.245.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0018FC21 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.82] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx03.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NBY3p-00018H-VT; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:18:23 -0600 Message-ID: <4B06DD70.8030308@emailrob.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:18:24 +0000 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200911200921.nAK9LKpf063202@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: lcd monitor manufacturer recommendation request X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:18:24 -0000 i thank you, sir, for your thoughts. Oliver Fromme wrote: > spellberg_robert wrote: > > i need to get some new monitors, but, it has been a_while. > > > > when i was buying "crt" monitors i would get sony [ love that "trinitron" tube !!! ]. > > nec was frequently recommended, although i never got around to trying any. > > however, time marches on. > > the "lcd" technology seems to be the current rage. > > > > q: if reliability was your only concern, which manufacturers [ 1, 2, 3 maybe ] would you recommend ? > > > > i like to tweak. > > the kind of manufacturer i want is one whose manual gives h & v frequencies and sync timings > > [ thank you, mr. lehey, for your excellent explanation of "mode_lines"; > > my first attempt, so many years ago, worked on the first try > > ]. > > When I used CRT monitors I also used to tweak mode lines, > but I haven't done that in ages. It's best to forget about > them alltogether. In today's world of digital monitor > signals (DDC, DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, whatever), the > graphics card and the monitor will negotiate the values > themselves. hmmm, some of the moboes that i recently purchased have something called "dvi-d" on them, right next to the 15_pin d_sub "vga" port [ all have vga ]. i guess i've got a new play_toy. i'll have to look into this. > You don't have to do anything. [ slow burn, then, sigh ] that's the problem with the world, today. when people don't --have-- to do anything, people don't --learn_how-- to do anything. oops, i digress. > You should also note that the refresh rate is pretty much > irrelevant for LCD displays. While 85 Hz did make sense > for CRT monitors in order to avoid flickering, that's not > necessary with LCD monitors. They won't flicker with > 60 Hz which is a very common refresh rate for LCD. this is useful to know. while i --have-- seen some that claim a f_vert up to 85_cps, 75 seems to be a popular top_end. > I can't recommend a certain manufacturer, though. no worries; other thoughts are good, also. > My recommendation is to go to a shop, look at several > monitors and take the one you like best, irrespective > of the manufacturer. Do *NOT* buy an LCD display that > you haven't seen with your own eyes before. I'm serious. holy moses !!! you are reinforcing my long_held belief that lcd is a downgrade from crt. > By the way, back in the CRT days, my favourite was EIZO. not familiar, but, i've heard the name. maybe, i saw some in grad_school. i --know-- i saw the name on a retailer's web_site, yesterday. > I disliked Sony. freedom_of_choice is good [ that'll get the secret_police after me ]. > My EIZO F563-T is still standing in a > corner of my desk and is being used occasionally. Must > be at least 12 years old now, but still working fine. today's world is a "throw_away" world, my friend. > Well, my > 20 years old Commodore 1084S is also still > working fine and being used to playback DVDs. It's > not useful as a computer monitor by today's standards, > though. :-) > > Sorry for the digression ... no need to apologize; digression is good [ i'm over here, officer ]. i'm a big fan of stream_of_consciousness. that reminds me of a story ... . > Best regards > Oliver in the course of researching this topic, i have learned much about the technology. what i don't get, else_where, are the useful tid_bits like "refresh_rate is not such a big_deal, anymore". i remain convinced that crt is superior to lcd. however, my options are few [ yes, i --have-- started researching the used_crt market; ya pays your money, ya takes your chances ]. i think much of this has to do with my "fear of the missing pixel". i guess it's not so major to the action_movie crowd, but, i do text_editing, which is --very--, --very-- static. [ for the record, i do --not-- watch video on a computer monitor; but, that's me. most of the product that i am seeing seems to be targeted at this market. at home, i have a dvd_player, a crt_ntsc_tv and a very_easy_chair. i do not mix myrna_loy with matt_drudge. } remember what i said about backing_off my pixel_count from 1600_h to 1440_h ? characters were mal_formed and distinctly dim [ i do yellow foreground, dark_blue background ]. it is as if the electron_beam was "clipping" the sides of the "holes" in the shadow_mask. i am the kind of person who, once he has found something that works "well" [ let alone "very well" ], tends to stick with it, because it is a "solved problem". also, i tend to buy several copies of something, so that i have spares [ think "sump pump" ]. third, i like to get, at least, one from the top of the product_line [ so that i have it, when i really need or want some feature ] and several from the middle of the line [ because they are "good enough", "most of the time" ]. with this in mind, i am familiar with the dis_satisfaction with the "twisted nematic" technology. iirc, i was aware of this previously, but, had forgotten. this will guide my thinking. [ further research has defined the middle_of_the_line: i need 1642_h at a minimum; 1680_h seems to be popular, so, i may get some of these. with 1920_h, however, i can put a narrow window on the side [ about 45 chars ]. another app requires 2092_h, so, 1920_h leaves me short; however, this app is less critical. it looks like i want to avoid tn. this brings me back to choice_of_manufacturer. ] the next time i drive into town, i'll have to stop into the big_box_store to have a look_see. sorry to go on at such length; once my brain gets going, my fingers tend to follow. rob