From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Feb 8 17:30:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18157 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18152 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from welch.ncd.com by mail1.digital.com (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA16032; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:20:12 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id RAA26767; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:21:42 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma026758; Thu, 8 Feb 96 17:21:33 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14751; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:17:34 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01382; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:15:22 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmermann" Message-Id: <9602081715.ZM1380@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:15:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: ISDN devices supported?" (Feb 8, 18:13) References: <199602090113.SAA09074@phaeton.artisoft.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Terry Lambert , ulf@z-code.ncd.com (Ulf Zimmermann) Subject: Re: ISDN devices supported? Cc: gjennejohn@frt.dec.com, bertus%mikom.csir.co.za@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com, questions%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Feb 8, 18:13, Terry Lambert wrote: > Subject: Re: ISDN devices supported? > > > The real answer is to disdain ISDN anyway: the reason for it is to > > > allow metering charges by the Telco's, and that should be discouraged. > > >-- End of excerpt from Terry Lambert > > > > Disdain ? Sure. But Frame Relay 128K cost me $275 a month ;-( > > Looks like you need another hat. 8-). > > Is this because of charges at the ISP/NSP or charges by the Telco? > > If the Telco, I can't recommend anything other than going to the > public hearings and making yourself heard. > > If the ISP/NSP, I can suggest you compete with him. > > In my area, there is little difference: ~$80/month for frame relay > from your location to a designated cloud, and ~$220/month for Internet > Direct (or $300/month for US West, plus you need your own router with > US West while I.D. provides a really dumb one for you -- how can you > enter a market at $80/month higher than your competition and expect to > not get your shorts eaten?). > > So you are winning by $25 to $105 a month over me. > > ISDN is a little cheaper, but goes up drastically for Telco charges > for anything useful (ie: more than 8 days of connect a month -- means > no Web services, etc.). Plus ISDN is only available in some locations. > The ISP costs are nearly the same, even though the equipment costs for > FR are near nothing, comparatively (an ISP needs an ISDN connect in > per ISDN user -- ISDN is switched virtual circuit, just like a phone > call). > > For reasonable connectivity (ie: online all the time, but not necessarily > pounding out the packets all the time), ISDN is simply unusable. > > > It's all a plot to make us buy our phone services from our Cable TV > companies (I will buy my phone and net services from the same company > when I can, and it will be whichever charges me less. TCI is charging > ~$28/month for 6Mbit/S fiber optic net connection to 100,000 homes in > Southern California... with phone service thrown in). >-- End of excerpt from Terry Lambert Price is from Pacific Bell for Frame Relay in the CA Lata 1 area, which includes all the SF Bay Area. $275 = 128K, $574(?) = 384K and $675 = 1.5 MB ISP are starting at $200 for 128K as cheapest and most starts at $350. ISDN Centrex would cost the same for ISP but only <$40 for ISDN from Pacific Bell. Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 ====================================== FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! -------------------------------------- FreeBSD: Turning PCs into Workstations ======================================