From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 24 08:34:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D26F106566B for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrnils@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38BC8FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so2367056bkc.13 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of andrnils@gmail.com designates 10.204.129.71 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.129.71; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of andrnils@gmail.com designates 10.204.129.71 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=andrnils@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=andrnils@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.129.71]) by 10.204.129.71 with SMTP id n7mr582286bks.91.1330072446682 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:34:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0RhwGtiukJhXcfW4ANnD1X2Bhx7LTzFaSVjOdJoF6Aw=; b=csk8LXyLXjrk6wvHFZQ4vfLzRsTl8r48atCSUgyTO7xyPyhouYyo8Iuh4GZ4JKAaCg napV2M+stXsOU5s17c4StZ7cgvXBSl6MgqpdIyULNAcCze4dP3RJvjzrV+t3xOwQ2wsg 40YGcHe/Cli4s10dD0gqlLuMNid1oqhzzBbz0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.129.71 with SMTP id n7mr482544bks.91.1330072446591; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.163.140 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:34:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201202241346.15160.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> References: <4F46847D.4010908@my.gd> <4F46ADC8.2080408@brockmann-consult.de> <201202241346.15160.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:34:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andreas Nilsson To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Peter Maloney , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD9 and the sheer number of problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:34:08 -0000 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Erich Dollansky < erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Friday 24 February 2012 04:21:12 Peter Maloney wrote: > > Am 23.02.2012 21:15, schrieb Mark Felder: > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:25:01 -0600, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Now, I find the number of problem reports regarding 9.0-RELEASE > alarming > > >> and I'm growing more and more fearful towards it. > > > > > I suggest these concepts should be tested: > > > I can tell you what in practical terms stops me from testing very often. > The switch back to the running version. > > Let me suggest this. > > Currently, we have on the disk normally two kernels. The current one and > the last one. Why not add a third one called testing? > > Add then an entry into the boot menu that users can switch between the > current kernel and a kernel they just installed for testing. > Well, as you would want to test both kernel + userland its get a bit tricky on ufs based system, as you have to setup several slices/partitions. For ZFS its easier, as the only thing required would be a snapshot of clean install, which the user then can just zfs recv, modify vfs.root.mountfrom and so on. Just my thoughts. Andreas > > I know that I can do this manually. But this is the point where it becomes > difficult for the majority of people. > > As FreeBSD needs a large amount of testing on unknown hardware, this could > increase the number of actual testers without much effort. > > Ok, the developers must then be ready to deal with reports which miss many > things. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >