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Date:      Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:34:06 +0100
From:      Andreas Nilsson <andrnils@gmail.com>
To:        Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com>
Cc:        Peter Maloney <peter.maloney@brockmann-consult.de>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD9 and the sheer number of problem reports
Message-ID:  <CAPS9%2BSvpFs6NuVD1nEmnjTpxrugGDp2piOpWddcz7H_1FqJDrQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201202241346.15160.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com>
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Erich Dollansky <
erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Friday 24 February 2012 04:21:12 Peter Maloney wrote:
> > Am 23.02.2012 21:15, schrieb Mark Felder:
> > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:25:01 -0600, Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Now, I find the number of problem reports regarding 9.0-RELEASE
> alarming
> > >> and I'm growing more and more fearful towards it.
> > >
> > I suggest these concepts should be tested:
> >
> I can tell you what in practical terms stops me from testing very often.
> The switch back to the running version.
>
> Let me suggest this.
>
> Currently, we have on the disk normally two kernels. The current one and
> the last one. Why not add a third one called testing?
>
> Add then an entry into the boot menu that users can switch between the
> current kernel and a kernel they just installed for testing.
>

Well, as you would want to test both kernel + userland its get a bit tricky
on ufs based system, as you have to setup several slices/partitions. For
ZFS its easier, as the only thing required would be a snapshot of clean
install, which the user then can just zfs recv, modify vfs.root.mountfrom
and so on.

Just my thoughts.

Andreas

>
> I know that I can do this manually. But this is the point where it becomes
> difficult for the majority of people.
>
> As FreeBSD needs a large amount of testing on unknown hardware, this could
> increase the number of actual testers without much effort.
>
> Ok, the developers must then be ready to deal with reports which miss many
> things.
>
> Erich
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