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Date:      Wed, 29 Dec 2021 20:23:04 +0100
From:      Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com>
To:        Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Karel Gardas <gardask@gmail.com>, Joseph Mingrone <jrm@freebsd.org>,  FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 20:16 Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 1:13 PM Michael Schuster
> <michaelsprivate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Karel,
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas <gardask@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote:
> >> > Hello FreeBSD community,
> >> >
> >> > The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to support.
> What
> >> > gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader community?
> >>
> >> sorry for being late with those:
> >>
> >> 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make
> >> freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot environments
> >> and using ZFS snapshots.
> >
> >
> > All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give you
> dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been using them since at
> least 13.
> >
>
> Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0,
>

bectl behaves slightly differently from beadm, which can be confusing when
you're used to beadm.
I don't have the specifics handy (although I was part of an email thread
about this), but decided to stick with beadm as it suits my needs better.


and more recently freebsd-update will use it to create a boot
> environment if the system can cope with that (i.e.: `bectl check` is
> happy/convinced that it's currently booted into a BE layout that it
> recognizes).
>
> [0]
> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bectl&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 20:16 Kyle Evans &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:kevans@freebsd.org">kevans@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 1:13 PM Michael Schuster<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsprivate@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">michaelsprivate@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Karel,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gardask=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">gardask@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello FreeBSD community,<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to sup=
port.=C2=A0 What<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader co=
mmunity?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; sorry for being late with those:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make<br>
&gt;&gt; freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot enviro=
nments<br>
&gt;&gt; and using ZFS snapshots.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can&#39;t give y=
ou dates or specifics (port vs &quot;builtin&quot;), but I&#39;ve been usin=
g them since at least 13.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0,<br></bl=
ockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">bectl be=
haves slightly differently from beadm, which can be confusing when you&#39;=
re used to beadm.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t have the specifi=
cs handy (although I was part of an email thread about this), but decided t=
o stick with beadm as it suits my needs better.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
and more recently freebsd-update will use it to create a boot<br>
environment if the system can cope with that (i.e.: `bectl check` is<br>
happy/convinced that it&#39;s currently booted into a BE layout that it<br>
recognizes).<br>
<br>
[0] <a href=3D"https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbectl&amp;apropo=
s=3D0&amp;sektion=3D0&amp;manpath=3DFreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&amp;arch=
=3Ddefault&amp;format=3Dhtml" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dbectl&amp;apropos=3D0&amp;se=
ktion=3D0&amp;manpath=3DFreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&amp;arch=3Ddefault&a=
mp;format=3Dhtml</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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