Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 15:22:17 +0300 From: Vladimir Druzenko <vvd@freebsd.org> To: Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> Cc: Mathieu Arnold <mat@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 589aaaeb09b7 - main - multimedia/libvpx: update 1.14.0 Message-ID: <c64f6d1e-3911-4336-947b-18c37a6b2546@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <4690f8987d3a0841ee7105d989847d1c@mail.infomaniak.com> References: <202401200042.40K0gNmu053279@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <240f4c88-582d-4da4-ba92-50d11ddfade3@freebsd.org> <m5bjygorxxilrvtyoqmb54ablzs4tjiocvfjjzskoffipyjlqb@7ap2zou7cm3q> <6e13868f-8910-4468-9e1d-2a231a0723ca@freebsd.org> <4690f8987d3a0841ee7105d989847d1c@mail.infomaniak.com>
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To: Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net>
Cc: Mathieu Arnold <mat@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org,
dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org
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Subject: Re: git: 589aaaeb09b7 - main - multimedia/libvpx: update 1.14.0
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">20.01.2024 14:50, Daniel Engberg =D0=BF=
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<div>On 2024-01-20T12:40:11.000+01:00, Vladimir Druzenko
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:vvd@freebsd.org=
"><vvd@freebsd.org></a> wrote:<br>
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<pre style=3D"white-space: normal;">
<div>20.01.2024 14:10, Mathieu Arnold =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=
=D1=82:<br>
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<blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote">
<div> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 12:07:03PM +0300, Vladimir
Druzenko wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote">
<div> Can we make some kind of schedule for mass bumps
of huge ports?<br>
</div>
<div> Users who build from ports can schedule upgrade
and prevent build something<br>
</div>
<div> very big "2 days in a row".<br>
</div>
<div> Even if you use binary packages, updating for
example virtualbox will entail<br>
</div>
<div> a restart (savestate/start) of all virtual
machines, and this must be<br>
</div>
<div> planned in advance.<br>
</div>
<div> If this already exists, please point to it.<br>
</div>
<div> Thanks!<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> Hi,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> I am not sure what you are complaining about.<br>
</div>
<div> On the one side, it seems that you want to build
things yourself and to<br>
</div>
<div> have everything up-to-date and you upgrade every
day.<br>
</div>
<div> On the other side it seems that you would like to
have things not<br>
</div>
<div> updated so you don't have to rebuild things every
day.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> If you absolutely want to upgrade every day by
yourself, then, well, you<br>
</div>
<div> have to expect to rebuild things, large and small
two days in a row once<br>
</div>
<div> in a while...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Use binary packages, there, I fixed the rebuild
every day problem you<br>
</div>
<div> have.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Then you say that if virtualbox gets an update, you
need to restart<br>
</div>
<div> your virtual machines, and that it is a problem.<br>
</div>
<div> Well, it is only a problem if you have the absolute
need to upgrade as<br>
</div>
<div> soon as possible.<br>
</div>
<div> And in that case, it is your problem.<br>
</div>
<div> Most of the time, the virtualbox updates are not
critical security<br>
</div>
<div> issues and they can be planned on your side for when
it is convenient<br>
</div>
<div> for you.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> In any way, nobody forces you to upgrade as soon as
there is an update<br>
</div>
<div> of a port, but in the same way, nothing is going to
force the rest of us<br>
</div>
<div> to not commit to ports because it is inconvenient
for you...<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Complaining? Why do you think so?<br>
</div>
<div>I just ask about possibility to planning. If no - maybe
create one? Maybe somebody have ideas how to do this
better and etc?<br>
</div>
<div>It isn't "complaining".<br>
</div>
<div>Maybe my poor English is the issue=E2=80=A6<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>About virtualbox: I planned update several days ago for
yesterday, but today I got bump. Same for firefox - just
updated and now I must do it again or get "problems" with
prepare update for my ports (freerdp* depends on ffmpeg).
If I had known about today's mass bump, I would have
planned update for today instead of yesterday. And keep a
lot of time=E2=80=A6<br>
</div>
<div>I don't need update as soon as possible, but I need to
know how long (approximately) I must wait before next mass
bump for planning update.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry again for my poor English.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- <br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,<br>
</div>
<div>Vladimir Druzenko<br>
</div>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<div>It may have come across like one but if that wasn't the
intention it's cleared up by now, Either way your suggestion
at least for now makes things way too complicated and
unmanageable to be practical. Just run the jobs on in
Poudriere walk way and do something else util they're done?</di=
v>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Best regards,<br>
</div>
<div>Daniel<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p><font face=3D"monospace">For example table in wiki with rows:</fon=
t><font
face=3D"monospace"> | planned date | port | so name for bump </fo=
nt><font
face=3D"monospace">| </font>the date the entry was added to the
list<font face=3D"monospace"> </font><font face=3D"monospace">|<br>=
Or file "BUMPS" in root of the ports repo near MOVED, UPDATING
and CHANGES with same fields.<br>
Remove row after commit bump to main.<br>
It's for real mass bumps like poppler, icu, libvpx, opus, webp,
ffmpeg, rust, maybe perl5 or change default </font><font
face=3D"monospace">python </font><font face=3D"monospace"> and et=
c.<br>
</font><br>
My both build servers are busy now with build ungoogled-chromium
with different build options for different hosts (one headless and
other for use in gui). Next in queue are net/freerdp{,3}.<br>
And I usually build Firefox on a live system - much easier manage
build options.</p>
<pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20
Best regards,
Vladimir Druzenko</pre>
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