From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Thu Jan 4 02:36:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA95BEBFFA6 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 02:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40F0748EA; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 02:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from desk.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1421045D; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 02:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by desk.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 229E65CDAB; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 02:35:24 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "David M. Syzdek" Cc: Eric van Gyzen , "freebsd-security\@freebsd.org" , "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug References: <19097.1515012519@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <02563ce4-437c-ab96-54bb-a8b591900ba0@FreeBSD.org> <7C58A6DB-0760-4E5A-B65D-2ED6A6B7AAD2@acsalaska.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:35:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7C58A6DB-0760-4E5A-B65D-2ED6A6B7AAD2@acsalaska.net> (David M. Syzdek's message of "Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:43:08 -0900") Message-ID: <867esy2vwz.fsf@desk.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 02:36:58 -0000 "David M. Syzdek" writes: > They did not say it is *NOT* a bug, just that it is not a bug unique > to Intel. [...] Additionally, they indirectly imply that both AMD and > ARM chips are affected by the same bug, however this is, at least in > AMD=E2=80=99s case, appears to be directly refuted [...] by AMD: There are three different issues. One of them (CVE-2017-5754, labeled =E2=80=9CMeltdown=E2=80=9D) is easily mitigated and has so far only been sh= own to affect Intel processors. The other two (CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5715, collectively labeled =E2=80=9CSpectre=E2=80=9D) affect AMD and ARM processo= rs as well and have no known workaround. So far, it has been shown that an unprivileged process can read data from the kernel (Meltdown) and other processes (Spectre), and that a privileged process in a VM can read data from the host and presumably also from other VMs on the same host (Spectre). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no