From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 14:47:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E017E16A4CF; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:47:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6453243D45; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:47:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from [192.168.1.250] (pool-68-161-115-118.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.115.118]) by pi.codefab.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAOElcIL026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:47:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41A49EF1.8030603@mac.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:47:13 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <200411231226.38172.jkim@niksun.com> <200411231343.22760.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20041124002603.GD20881@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au> <41A416E7.4030107@mac.com> <41A49312.5@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41A49312.5@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on pi.codefab.com cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Transparent bridges (a. k. a. HUB-to-PCI bridges)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:47:45 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ... ] >> A host-PCI bridge is typically part of the "southbridge" chip of >> modern motherboards; on Intel motherboards this is also called the ICH >> chip, such as the 82801AA/BA/CA/etc. VIA Southbridges include the >> VT8233/8235/8237/etc. > > Nope. The southbridge typically holds a PCI-ISA bridge. The host-pci > bridge is usually found in the northbridge part of the chipset. The > whole point it to bridge the CPU to one or more PCI buses. I've been wrong before, but please double-check diagrams like: http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/850/pix/850_800.gif http://www.viatech.com/en/products/chipsets/p4-series/pt880/ The "northbridge", or MCH, connects to the CPU, AGP, RAM, and the southbridge. The "southbridge", or ICH, connects to PCI, ATA, USB, BIOS chip, and the northbridge. Newer southbridge chips may add integrated LAN, 1394/Firewire, integrated AC'97 audio, and such via external codec chips like the VT6103 PHY. -- -Chuck