From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 04:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6603116A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D1E43FBF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8FBrgcx054562; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:53:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F65A83D.4030606@401.cx> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:53:33 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Hoskins References: <3F658048.5060304@401.cx> <20030915032820.T46787@fubar.adept.org> In-Reply-To: <20030915032820.T46787@fubar.adept.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:53:48 -0000 Mike Hoskins wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >>Randi Harper wrote: >>I work for one of the largest callcenter companys in Europe, and we >>do have a significant number of FreeBSD installations. Still, I cant >>help feeling we would rely more on FreeBSD if it just had a more >>proffesional image. >>Pie charts and blinking things only goes that far, being able to >>show a good looking website would help alot, especially when youre >>up against Red Hat or SuSe. > > > first, if you've tracked the site at all, you'll know how far it's come > over the years. everyone involved with the web/doc project deserves a > huge pat on the back and a few rounds. the quality of content, number of > examples, correctness, and layout (ease of navigation) of the site and > documentation have improved dramatically over the years. > > could it be better? i don't know anything that' can't. however, the last > i checked, this was a volunteer effort. if you really think the current > site is so 'bad', come up with a new one that offers more content, easier > navigation, faster load times, easier management, etc... and get it > approved through majority vote or community consensus. now before you > say "but that's what i tried to do" -- let me finish... i like > creativity, but i just can't help thinking that the arguments made here by > some against the current website don't hold much water. i looked at the > mockup, and it was honestly pretty bad. it would not present a > professional image to anyone i know, even at the director and VP level. > most directors, at least, have heard about (proper use of) CSS. this > thing has borders that only display in IE... that's great for a free > UNIX' homepage. it has a body with a relative width but a header with > fixed with... i could go on, but the point is if you want to make > suggestions of this nature... at least look like you have a clue about > webdesign/layout/presentation. > > and again, it's a volunteer effort... i may be completely off base, but > i'm sure if anyone wants to convince a handfull of top-notch web designers > from design firms around the globe to come in, brainstorm, and rework the > site... bringing everything up to the latest standards and making it > quite "whiz bang" while also being fully functional... not many would > object to the free labor. ;) > > -mrh I agree that the mockup site was not good, but that was not my point. What I was argueing against was all the "the site is good as it is" comments that followed the original post. The site is great, content wise. Navigation is also very good. But the layout and design could be a lot better. Someone steped up and wanted to make an improvement, but was meet with nothing but criticism, and not the constructive kind. Instead of shooting him down, someone could nicely have pointed out that even if the effort is appreciated, the site he made is not good enough, but keep working on it and it might improve. Anyway, I feel like Im fighting a loosing battle here, so this will be my last post to this thread. -- R